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Re: Paying for Document

It is really incredible how many repetitive pieces of paper are required for such a simple thing as going sailing: EPIRB regist., Homeland Security sticker, Radio licenses, State Registrations, Dink registrations, Fed. Documentation, not to even mention clearing in and out anywhere...geez, you almost need a freakin' full time clerical staff
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Repetitive paper: You guys have a point. But in order to consolidate it, you probably would need to get every agency to revise their systems, at major expense. And then find one "leader", which couldn't just/always be the documentation number or a state reg number since not all states will require that.

Of course if you can apply for everything online and your browser has autofill turned on...at least there's a lot less typing to do.

I'd expect the EPIRB (which requires additional contact information), ship's station license, DHS, and Documentation could certainly be tied together, although that would require the FCC to yield some authority and funds to the USCG and these kids do not tend to share. But if no one has suggested that idea to them yet, you know?

That could be worth pursuing.

Sending out a piece of mail annually, just ensures someone really "resides" somewhere. Even if they don't. Given how often people move, and sell boats, that's not entirely unreasonable.
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It is really incredible how many repetitive pieces of paper are required for such a simple thing as going sailing: EPIRB regist., Homeland Security sticker, Radio licenses, State Registrations, Dink registrations, Fed. Documentation, not to even mention clearing in and out anywhere...geez, you almost need a freakin' full time clerical staff
It's a lot easier for me. I don't have EPIRB, no homeland security sticker, my VHF doesn't require licensing, I'm in VA so documented boats don't need state registration and since I never leave the Chesapeake or its tributaries, I never clear in or out of anyplace except occasionally checking in as a guest of a marina.
I would say the vast majority of sailers (probably 99%) are more like me than smurphny who obviously does a lot of traveling.
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Folks please use comment secton mentioned in original post. Just did it and it was effortless. May make no difference but you never know.
It MAY help. Remember the outrage over the proposed Broadband spectrum that was close to the same frequency used by GPS. Public comments helped shoot that down!


Here is what I submitted.

I am curious what is driving this FEE. Is it revenue? Or is it to cover the cost of administering the documentation service. If it is operating costs, then I would suggest that the USCG do several things.
A) go to a multi-year renewal. It seems ridiculous to have to mail paperwork back and forth every year. I renew my car for two years and people change cars frequently. I would suggest a 3 year renewal at a minimum, maybe even 5 years.
If this were the case I would say that $26 would be a fair cost to administer the renewal process.

B) This is the 21st century. WHY are we mailing paperwork back and forth? This whole process should be done electronically or at the very least I should get an email w/ the form to print out and mail or email back.

C) IF this is a fundraising fee to help offset the operating costs of the USCG then I am unequivocally opposed to the implementation of the fee.
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Register once for life.

Put the requirement to update addresses on the owner, not the govt. Make it an infraction to be off the dock without your registration matching your legal address. That's exactly how aircraft used to work.

How can an electronic database become overwhelmed? Pack it as full as you like.

Annual renewals are just symptomatic of government making themselves important.
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Our state (Connecticut) requires that ANY vessel that stays in state waters more than X days (I think it is 30?) pay the state registration fee, even if it is Documented. Our 36' boat costs $180.


I would certainly prefer to continue getting renewals at no cost, but can understand that with the Coast Guard being hit with major budget cuts due to the sequester, (thank you GOP) they are looking to recoup costs wherever they can.
My 35' boat costs $172.50/year it CT. I don't have to have it documented, but it is. If a $26 annual fee is instituted, I will drop the federal documentation and put the state registration number on the hull.

"Thank you GOP"? paulk needs to get his facts straight on the bipartisan roots of the sequester. Besides, the USCG budget was not whacked like the DoD budget as a result of the sequester, so you can't blame the fee on that.
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"Thank you GOP"? paulk needs to get his facts straight on the bipartisan roots of the sequester. Besides, the USCG budget was not whacked like the DoD budget as a result of the sequester, so you can't blame the fee on that.
Yes, despite what the Democrats want you to believe, the sequestor was a bi-partisan decision.

And yes, I do thank the GOP for trying to slow the massive amounts of red ink that Washington is using. And if user fees will help, I say go for it.
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If red ink is the concern, then eliminate the process and save more. Register for life. its been done. Who really cares if the database is full of abandon ships. It doesn't affect our health, safety or security. Why pay for an annual process that has no stated value?

Bureaucracy.......

3. a system of administration marked by officialism, red tape, and proliferation


I've never heard anyone that votes to have one, but seem to get one, if complacent.
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Re: Paying for Document

If this is going to get political and off the topic of the OP (or even sailing), please start a new thread in OT.

(Trying to stop a flurry of reported post emails before they happen)
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Re: Paying for Document

"Who really cares if the database is full of abandon ships."
Ah, the military cares. Remember that one of the primary purposes of that list, is to let the government know "Where can we get a ship?" and that means they have to be delisted when they change hands or are abandoned.

Yes, we have come a long way since the days of the WW2 antisubmarine patrols by sailing yachts off New England. But ships and boats alike are listed for the same purposes, and clear title is only one of them.
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