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Re: Politics and Moderation

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Hmmm. If you're returning more for the OT section than for the sailing topics, are we doing something wrong?
This has been an infinitely debated topic for the entire 5 years I've been here. SNOT serves a very important purpose. It gives sailors a place to talk and fight about stuff that they're interested in that's not sailing related (be it politics, religion, or just fighting). But, they're still sailors.

If a forum is ONLY about sailing topics, it can get boring. The way SNOT is set up is just about perfect. It's completely hidden from non-members, it's insanely easy to avoid for non-interested members, and it's lightly moderated but still maintained so things don't go completely off the rails. It's really pretty perfect.

The issue is just as CD has stated it. SNOTs need to be able to chill their kung fu when they come up on deck. If they just can't do it because they've gotten too worked up down below and bash everyone in sight, then they should be flicked.

When I first came out of FC (the first thread I became interested in when I first joined - and which was squarely OT) and into the sailing topics, the OT-style fighting continued - from me and most of the others that I'd been going round with. But after a while, it all died down. Now I rarely hang out in SNOT. I'm more interested in the sailing than the fighting...for now (I do reserve the right to jump back in the ring as needed).

So, it's simple. Keep SNOT. Lots of the sailors around here love it.

And SNOTters, have a little self-control. The style of SNOT snippery that is infinitely entertaining for you guys down below is really tiresome on deck.

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Re: Politics and Moderation

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Hmmm. If you're returning more for the OT section than for the sailing topics, are we doing something wrong?
a. If this were the off-topic forum I could flog you for misquoation; I said "often" not "more for the OT section than for the sailing topics." We should always be careful with misquotations and distortions of meaning. I'm certain if you checked my post count you would find only occational OT sniping, and often nothing for weeks at a time.

b. Thus, there is no logic that there is something wrong with the forum. And if I liked OT better than the rest, that would still not be wrong.

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Re: Politics and Moderation

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You should work out the difference between an opinion, that your post was doubly stupid, and censorship or moderation. I don't believe I censored your doubly stupid post did I ? No, I simply opined that it was doubly stupid.
Now I dare say that there is many a Dabnis post that I disagree with yet they remain intact do they not ?
So fear not. If it is within my generally liberal (sorry for using such language) interpretation of the SailNet Scriptures then you can say what you like.
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Andrew,

Well, you bit, finally Yes, you were kind enough not to delete the post.
However,the thought of the big sword hanging over my head keeps me a bit nervous.

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a. If this were the off-topic forum I could flog you for misquoation; I said "often" not "more for the OT section than for the sailing topics." We should always be careful with misquotations and distortions of meaning. I'm certain if you checked my post count you would find only occational OT sniping, and often nothing for weeks at a time.

b. Thus, there is no logic that there is something wrong with the forum. And if I liked OT better than the rest, that would still not be wrong.

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Such as...
Specifically the Active Captain thread
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Re: Politics and Moderation

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Hmmm. If you're returning more for the OT section than for the sailing topics, are we doing something wrong?
No I don't think we are doing anything wrong. In fact I think the multi facetted approach is a good one. There are some OTH and chat followers who do not ever post in the sailing threads.

The OT threads are part of Sailnet just like the CHAT is.

Personally I don't think the Chat should be part of Sailnet either as many of the conversations are not related to sailing.

However I am not for getting rid of it as it draws people and some people like it so far be it from me to push my ideals on the entire group.

I can choose to ignore it which I do, just like SN members can choose to ignore the OTH threads.

I think people especially the MODS have to be sensitive to not treating people who participate in the " fringe" non sailing threads or chats as less than or aberrant personalities who ruin Sailnet. That is an incredibly short sighted acessment.

Someone like the OTH categories as they have 181,000 posts.
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Re: Politics and Moderation

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But Chef, not once, but at least twice, you told me to eliminate it. You were upset that I did not eliminate it (it was the very last post to that thread) and now you are upset that I did.

Not sure how to win in that situation??

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Chuck,

Not sure what you exact point was here. many of us belong to other threads and many of us are adult enough to understand the relationship oft the pressures which can be brought to bear through legal means on companies/ sites like this. That was a statement of the obvious.

Pooh poohing it and saying its as was in the past and this too will pass does not really address the issues I have enumerated.

I understand the boards right/ need to keep[ itself out of lawsuits, and that it will take the easiest/ cheapest route to avoid them.

In this case I believe the whole thread should be eliminated,,,that I could understand..... What I cant understand is leaving the parts standing, unless the board is siding with the poster ( Siegel) in this case.


I want to make sure I understand who you are referring to in this...was it me?

I suggest the board censor the whole thread and eliminate it.


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But Chef, not once, but at least twice, you told me to eliminate it. You were upset that I did not eliminate it (it was the very last post to that thread) and now you are upset that I did.

Not sure how to win in that situation??



I did what you wanted....

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That's an interesting way of looking at it. SN gets caught censoring posters threads in a way which potentially signifys a bias and I get what I wanted by gettinghe whole thread censored. Really

Lets see and look at the history of the mysterious disappearing posts....then when challenged and as why there was no explaination

When challenged again with the above statement that someone censored some of the dialogue but that they only decided to select on side of the opinion to censor leaving the other side up, I guess you have now decided to get rid of the whole thread. ( yes that was what I suggested, but not what I wanted)

What i wanted ws transparency....an explaination either in the thread or a PM . I wanted an explaination why my, Cannucksailor, and a quoted letter from the president of NMEA was censored with no explaination and why the other posters were allowed to stand.

Yes I suggested it was biased censorship should that be allowed to stand and the whole thread should be censored if it was needed. And I also said transparency was important here also.

If we can't talk about Active Captain and the pertinent individuals ...tell us that.
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I think we should discussing sailing again. I'm lying aboard right now and none of this seems important.
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