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Re: Amuse me, sailing small boat offshore.

I don't get the "amuse me" bit in the title. Death amuses you?

I also agree with Morild, one can go the other silly extreme. You have to find the way in between death, shear terror, money and enjoyment. And only YOU can determain that. But death ain't fun, and is usually terminal.


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Re: Amuse me, sailing small boat offshore.

This looks easy to adapt to a boat with a busy transom and outboard rudder:
http://www.selfsteer.com/products/autohelm/index.php

Look at the option at the bottom.

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Re: Amuse me, sailing small boat offshore.

Not to hijack the thread, but where do I get a hold of the Dove movie?
I read the book when I was a kid, and have re-read it later to great inspiration and I would really like to see the movie, but I haven't been able to find it online.
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"The Dove" is on Netflix streaming (or was a couple of months ago).

It is a pretty terrible movie (B-grade acting and directing), but still fun enough to watch if you are a sailor.
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Re: Amuse me, sailing small boat offshore.

Yes, self-steering is an absolute must have on such a solo trip. And mounting it on your Ranger might be a bit tricky, having it way out there behind the rudder, making it a real B to adjust when the sea gets rough.
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Re: Amuse me, sailing small boat offshore.

@Alex I do have Netflix and love it, but for some (license) reason it is not available to me here. (Denmark, a small country in Scandinavia).
Any other source? (legit)
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Re: Amuse me, sailing small boat offshore.

The second "Dove" was called Return of Dove and was an Allied Luders 33. The first was a 24 foot Lapworth, not certain it was a stock 'Cal' or not...

I imagine John Guzzwell would have felt pure luxury had he had a Ranger 23 over the tiny 20' Trekka...

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Re: Amuse me, sailing small boat offshore.

Yeah, not to rain on your dreams, but as just pointed out, Robin Graham finished his trip on that much heavier Allied Luders 33. My dad was a yacht broker up East in the '70s and we sold more than one of those based on that reputation, it was a good solid boat and reasonably fast too. Why did Robin ditch the Cal 24? Because she wouldn't reliably make any money to windward at sea when the wind was over 20 knots (meaning half the time, roughly). The Luders would go to windward in up to 40 knots. What a difference. Take a look:

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Now the Ranger 23 might indeed make a long ocean passage if you have above-average luck with the weather, and are content to ride out or reach out the headwinds instead of knocking out all your fillings beating into the big seas for days on end. But let's say the boat can take it, can you? My old man used to say (when we were out bad weather, "kid, the boat's tougher than you are", and it's true. It will take more of a pounding than you can, because it doesnt need to digest food and sleep, while you do. Many Coast Guard rescues are of sick, beat-up, exhausted sailors from otherwise seaworthy boats.

So, you might want to go just a "little" larger than that 3000-pound Ranger? Maybe a 5000 lb Albin Vega 27?? (look up Matt Rutherford's recent circumnavigation of the Western hemisphere on one, and even that is kinda dicey in terms of comfort and endurance). Think about a used Pearson Triton, solid little Alberg design and a little heavier yet. You could go up to say 30 feet and about 8000-10000 pounds?

Or dare I say it, look for a nice used Luders 33? (12000 pounds)
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Re: Amuse me, sailing small boat offshore.

Check out trans pac and pac cup, lots of tiny boats using auto pilot, I would't waste 6k on a vane for a 25 day trip. You can also use sheet to tiller but you must have your trim spot on for it to work. Maybe a good set of twin 90 steering sails would work. Goodle sailiing super shrimp for a free download, one of the best sailing books ever written. Also look to the solo sailors society, lots of good info.
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Re: Amuse me, sailing small boat offshore.

He ditched the boat after sailing over 20,000 miles because he lost his mind and set it ablaze, not because of windward performance.
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