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Re: Tying stern-to to shore

When they hit 90 are they still called williwaws?

Seems like they should have their own name when they get that frisky.
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Re: Tying stern-to to shore

Sounds like you're heading for the North Channel. I worked as a charter captain for Canadian Yacht Charters there for a number of years. In most cases, 150 feet of line will suffice, and it should be floating line so that it doesn't get caught under the boat. Here's the procedure I've used at Croker Island, the smaller, shallower anchorage where med mooring is common:
come in and turn out to where you are going to anchor. Drop the hook and try to let it settle for a couple of minutes in that position without moving. You should be, if I recall correctly, about 2 - 3 boat lengths out from shore and in 20 feet of water at this point. Croker is very protected as you may know, so there's likely no wind. Start backing to shore, you will be able to actually step off to shore with your line as the rockface is that steep - but check of course to be certain. The dinghy, of course, makes much more sense ;>)
Take a single turn around one of the sturdier trees and bring the line back to your boat. Now, set your anchor by pulling yourself towards it, rather than backing away from it (for obvious reasons...) Then, tighten up the stern line. If you expect any wind, take a line from each quarter, cross them diagonally and run two lines to shore, tying them well apart. That being said, if you expect wind and Croker is busy, you should consider one of the other nearby anchorages, such as Fox.
You'll often find yourself anchoring between other boats - they'll assist you with getting your line to shore.
Enjoy. If you have other, North Channel or Georgian Bay specific questions, feel free to ask.
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Re: Tying stern-to to shore

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...so I don't look like a complete moron?
Bit too late for this eh Taffy?

Good points above. One thing I'd add is that when selecting your spot, try and select one where the wind will be at your bow. The anchorages often have spots available on more than one side, and if you don't have a side wind trying to muck things up while you're going ashore in your dinghy, so much the better.

An anchor that SETS quickly is important. I was doing this in Canada with a Fortress and trying to nurse those flukes into the bottom while backing up towards a close shore isn't fun. Having an anchor that sets right where you drop it is never more important than when stern tying.

One thing I've never figured out.... Why does everyone use poly-line? Personally I think it's because you need a lot of it and people are cheap. I bent over and bought nylon 3 strand for my stern line. Why? Because to me, it's a mooring line. If it parts, the consequences are often dire, so why cheap line? I've been in situations where the wind shifted and it's beam on with both the bow/anchor line and the stern line under quite a bit of force and there might be a nice looking rock or cliff next to you.

Speaking of all that, a leadline is an important tool to have. It's nice to anchor the bow with lots of extra scope so you can snug up on it (and get further away from shore) if you find out it's shallow. I usually secure the boat's stern line first then check for shallows and adjust accordingly.

I'll also give you some tips for how to entertain the anchorage:

1: Don't make your tender accessible before anchoring. It's no fun if you've got it down off the davits, stern line in the boat, and it's nicely tied alongside where it's painter won't foul the prop BEFORE anchoring the bow. Then you can easily get in and go ashore. No fun for us.

2: Don't flake out your stern line in the boat or have it on a well greased stern pulpit spool. It's much more fun to watch someone try and row while struggling against a big pile of line that is acting like a dog's leash.

3: Don't use Keen or Teva sandals with good grip. You'll be much more entertaining with your sea-boots or rubber deck shoes and you climb up weed and mollusk covered wet rocks. Same for gloves, the spectators like to see real blood.

4: Make sure that your bow and stern lines are BAR TIGHT. That way you'll be sure to be entertaining when the tide goes up or down. If you leave a little slack fore and aft you'll be no fun to watch at all.

5: (my favorite) Don't have an easy way set up to secure your dingy to shore while you're climbing around with the stern line looking to rope a tree. It's so much more fun to hear the cries of the newly stranded yachtie with the stern line in hand staring at his newly freed tender as it sails off without him.

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Re: Tying stern-to to shore

Sounds like med sailor has a peculiar degree of expertise in this area, much the way from the sound of it to how I got mine....
the reason for using poly line in the area the OP is asking about is because it floats and won't interfere with the dinghy, you can use it to pull yourself the few feet to shore, and because it isn't critical in most anchorages here - the protection is very good. Oh, and it's much cheaper ;>)
There is no tide, so slightly slack lines are fine up here. With a tide...not so much.
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Re: Tying stern-to to shore

I had a poly line part during a night of heavy gusts in Laura Cove one night. I switched over to sampson line that all our commercial guys use for crab pots and longlines. It's pretty tuff, not so susceptible to UV damage and it's reasonably priced.
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Re: Tying stern-to to shore

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I had a poly line part during a night of heavy gusts in Laura Cove one night. I switched over to sampson line that all our commercial guys use for crab pots and longlines. It's pretty tuff, not so susceptible to UV damage and it's reasonably priced.
Now I'd be interested in that to be sure, especially if it was lightweight and floats. Hauling all the weight of the nylon line ashore was a pain.

What KIND of rope was it.Sampson's commercial fishing catalogis pretty diverse.

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Re: Tying stern-to to shore

I think it was this one, but it doesn't float, it sinks.
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Re: Tying stern-to to shore

We use this.. it's a double braid floating line, ours is 3/8"

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Re: Tying stern-to to shore

Yeah, I wouldn't trust my boat to polypro either, I hate that crap...

Lugger Line from Yale makes an excellent shoreline, but it's not offered in a size smaller than 1/2"...

Lugger Line - Single Braided Rope & Single Braid Rope - Industrial Rope | Yale Cordage

It's available from Hamilton Marine at a pretty reasonable price, a 600' spool is about $325...

Rope Tow Lugger Line 1/2"" 12-Strand Co-Polymer

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Re: Tying stern-to to shore

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We use this.. it's a double braid floating line, ours is 3/8"

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That's the stuff I've been eyeballing for my next stern line but the stuff posted by JohnEisberg looks promising. Hey John, does that stuff accept knots or is it self untying like polypro?

Does either line stand up to UV?

The webbing setups on spools look nice as a different option but are PRICEY and webbing won't stand up to any chafe at all.

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