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Re: changing helm style

It seems to me we may have scared off the OP. I blame Chef2Sail.
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Re: changing helm style

Wheels that provide no feedback are wheels that aren't being well maintained. I like tillers, but I do like my wheel a lot better after lubing the bearings, cables, and chain.

Previously it was like sailing with the brake always on. If I was poorly trimmed and only staying in a straight line due to rudder angle I could get off of the wheel and the boat would keep going in a straight line. I couldn't feel anything in the wheel.

Now in the same conditions you can feel the rudder being pushed sideways in the water below. Let go of the wheel and the boat rounds up immediately, just like a nice tiller system. Get the boat into groove and the wheel loses all pressure and feels great.

Edson makes it pretty annoying to service their pedestals. If they did it properly there would be external grease points that could be reached without taking apart the top of the pedestal. They recommend annual lubrication, but I strongly doubt that anyone does it that often and suspect that most boats go decades without lubrication. I got the idea that my wheel could feel better by playing with the wheel on a brand new boat and seeing how smooth and free running it felt.

I still wouldn't put a wheel on a 25' boat.
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Re: changing helm style

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It seems to me we may have scared off the OP. I blame Chef2Sail.
I think that calling the OP pretentious for considering a wheel might have had that effect. This is the kind of thing that happens when debates take on religious fervor. Newcomers don't feel comfortable asking questions when they are ridiculed.

But you're right, it's still Chef2Sail's fault.
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Re: changing helm style

Thank goodness it's not my fault this time.
I did two Valiant 40's, one a custom build, that had tillers. I love a tiller.
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Re: changing helm style

So, Bob, Atilla's your Hun?

(sorry, bad joke)
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Re: changing helm style

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I feel like a wheel eliminates one of your senses, sort of like losing your hearing or sense of touch, but I fully understand that some boats are simply better sailed with a wheel than a tiller.

The best way that I've seen, to overcome the loss of feedback from a wheel, is to tie 3 colors of shock cord onto the wheel:

Black (on top)- Rudder amidships
Red- Rudder at 45 degrees on stbd tack
Green- Rudder at 45 degrees on port tack.

Now you have a visual indicator of how much weather helm you have, to aid in your main sheet trimming. If the red or green shock cord is at the "top" of the wheel, you'd better start thinking of dropping the traveler, or easing the mainsheet.

On some boats, there is also an audible indicator of rudder cavitation when the boat heels over to far, and much of the rudder is out of the water.

None of this changes my opinion about wheels and pedestals on small boats, but if you simply must have it, at least do it right, and sail well.
That is a good idea, except for using 45 degrees as your threshold for weather helm. That is way WAY too much helm! If you are dragging your rudder around at 45deg you have got serious balance problems, and you are going very slow. You should mark your wheel to indicate around 8 degrees of rudder angle as a measure of too much helm.
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Re: changing helm style

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Wheels that provide no feedback are wheels that aren't being well maintained. I like tillers, but I do like my wheel a lot better after lubing the bearings, cables, and chain.
Are you suggesting the cheapest wheel steered boat at my busy charter company does not have the helm tuned to factory specs. No wonder I do not like wheel steering. Now that i think about it it really was mushy and erratic on the helm, but this boat probably gets used a lot but not a lot of deep maintenance.
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That is a good idea, except for using 45 degrees as your threshold for weather helm. That is way WAY too much helm! If you are dragging your rudder around at 45deg you have got serious balance problems, and you are going very slow. You should mark your wheel to indicate around 8 degrees of rudder angle as a measure of too much helm.
But the wheel rim at 45 deg from TDC won't translate to a rudder angle of 45 degrees!!
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Re: changing helm style

Jimgo:
I'm kind of slow. It took me three minutes to get your joke.
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Re: changing helm style

To the OP if he's not run and hid...
I know of at least one person who has done this (I can't say as to why) in our club with the same boat. I'll snap a picture if he's put in yet.

I can tell you I dont' think he's all that fond of the way it works.

Might be an Oday 26.
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