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Re: changing helm style

My guess an O'day 25 would go for about $5k give or take, how much would a wheel "upgrade" cost?
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Re: changing helm style

Here's what the wheel looked like on the Islander:


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But the wheel rim at 45 deg from TDC won't translate to a rudder angle of 45 degrees!!
True, but he did specify rudder angle not wheel angle! Perhaps I misunderstood. If he was referring to wheel angle, then the 45 degree number is meaningless on any other boat because the corresponding rudder angle could vary widely.
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Here's what the wheel looked like on the Islander:


That has got to be one of the most awkward helm positions I have ever seen! I'd be ripping that out and putting a tiller back on real quick if it were my boat!
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True, but he did specify rudder angle not wheel angle! Perhaps I misunderstood. If he was referring to wheel angle, then the 45 degree number is meaningless on any other boat because the corresponding rudder angle could vary widely.
I'm guessing it was typos, and yes, of course that actual position would vary boat to boat.
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That has got to be one of the most awkward helm positions I have ever seen! I'd be ripping that out and putting a tiller back on real quick if it were my boat!
Oddly enough, it's not the only boat I saw that was set up like this. It was a little strange and I wasn't sure I'd like it when we went to see it in person, but as I sat there, it really wasn't that bad. It was nice to sit higher up as you steered. In the end, that boat had other issues that prevented us from buying it. I do agree, it isn't the best set-up, but for bay sailing (which was my intended purpose), it probably would have been OK - not great, but OK.
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Wheels that provide no feedback are wheels that aren't being well maintained...
I agree with this statement, but there are also other factors related to the system design.

The Edson system that I linked above is a simple pull-pull dual cable system with no purchase. However, there is a popular modification to the Catalina 250 steering design that adds pullies to give a 2:1 purchase in the cables. Even if properly maintained, that purchase almost completely eliminates any feel of the helm. People have done the mod because they are unhappy with how hard the wheel is to turn, but I think that it is more important to feel the pressure of the rudder pushing back.

As for the idea of understanding the amount of rudder offset needed to maintain a straight course, I think it goes without saying that the perfectly straight alignment of the wheel should be marked with tape or some other material (and adjusted whenever your chain jumps a link ) How/where/whether to mark other angles of turn is personal preference. But all that is really needed is the center mark, and over time you will get an idea how much turn is acceptable weather helm, and how much turn is excessive and requires adjusting the sail balance.

My boat came with a wheel, and I'm generally happy with it. If I had found a similar boat with a tiller, I would have considered that instead. For me personally, retrofitting a wheel would have been pretty far down my list of to-do items and probably never made it to the top. But others may want a wheel bad enough to endure the cost and trouble, and there's nothing pretentious about that.
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But others may want a wheel bad enough to endure the cost and trouble, and there's nothing pretentious about that.
I don't think the OP was being pretentious to want a wheel but probably inexperienced boater that thinks a wheel would make the experience better. Hopefully we set him straight. I would install a bow thruster first.

In doing a search I found threads about people wanting to trade their wheel in for tiller.
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.... I would install a bow thruster first.....
Seriously???? on a 25 footer???
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