For the most part, some of us like shock and faster in the northern salish sea, Dodenja and myself, in southern salish sea and literally dock mates as close or closer than anyone else on sailnet.....live in an area that from a racing standpoint, only have buoy racing available. So one either gets a boat that can do that well, ie a stripped racer like a farr 30 or other 1d boat which seems to be few and far between, or one seems to go with a cruiser of some sort, and makes do racing the many races available.
There are probably only 5-6 races I would call ocean style locally, swiftsure, Vic-maui, Van isle and one that goes from Astoria Oregon to Victoria Canada a week or so before vic-maui. Southern straights might be considered a longer off shore, but not really offshore. Not sure I would call VanIsle a true off shore either, as most of the legs around vancouver island are 15-125 for the longest, and you stop ea night as you sail around the island over 2 weeks. So a different sailing venue than you have in europe.
Reallity is, shocks idea of a F30 and another boat works. Altho if it were truly me, due to lack of wind around here, I would do an F30 and a tug style with a semi-planinghull that would get me places a bit quicker and out of the weather at times. Or possibly a planing style boat, with a larger cockpit so one can fish out of it for salmon, halibit etc and get to places quickly, and have a place to stay warm, sleep etc.
Marty, an offshore racer likes to do offshore races and I know of some that do thousands of miles to go racing. wherever you live if you want to do a lot of offshore races you are going to sail a lot to attend the races or will have a crew or someone to get the boat there. Normally offshore races are also major events and it is possible to find some sponsorship and that diminish costs.
When I was talking about being rational buying a J122 for cruising and racing I was talking in generic terms. Shock has said that the price of the boat was ridiculous. I was explaining that it is not, not implying that it suits him, unless he has the budget for the boat.
When a boat has a ridiculous price the boat don't sell and is taken out of production, like the Catalina 400, for instance. The J122 is on production for many years and they continue to sell boats so, not only the price is not ridiculous as the boat has been a commercial success for many years.
As I have said that boat is not meant for the ones that compete at club racing, many times with old boats. The boat is pointed to the ones that want to compete in major races at top level and want also a performance cruiser for cruising.
There are few boats that can manage that has successively as the J 122 and at a sensible price. For the price of a top racing boat you get a top racing boat and a very good performance cruiser. A performance cruiser with that quality would have cost a similar price anyway so you get for the price of one boat a boat that can handle with top marks cruising and racing. You are saving the price of one boat, the racer or the cruiser.
The J122 is expensive? Of course good boats are expensive but the boat is not more expensive than other similar boats with the same quality and not as good racing.
I was only pissed with the price of a J122 to be considered ridiculous. That's an average price for that type of boat (quality interior included).
Of course any used boat is less expensive than a new one an in what regards racing, if there is a new model from the same brand, less fast and less competitive. What make the ideal boat to anyone has to do with the budget one has. Some has the budget to buy the best boat for what they want to do others have to compromise and chose the best boat inside the budget and that means sometimes an older and slower boat.