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DJ, that boat looks like it is made of plywood, which is not very durable even when fiberglassed over. After 40 years it is most likely gone. I do not want to dampen your spirit, but a chance of finding it is slim to none. You might be able to find the plans and build a new one.
Best of luck to you, my friend.
If well maintained, timber can outlast just about any man made product. Boat owners of all people should know that!
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Well that's one way to endear yourself to someone who may have put some serious effort into solving your problem. Not a good move, but thats just my opinion,
Suggesting a website from his armchair is 'serious effort' is it? I think your opinions are best kept with....you.
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Without breaking rules that trigger responses from the moderators there is a web etiquette that goes beyond just trying to sell copyrighted materials. Attacking longtime residents of a board is certainly not going to get you results or win you popularity from the other members of this board.

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Suggesting a website from his armchair is 'serious effort' is it? I think your opinions are best kept with....you.
I put the time in to explain the situation to you and point you in what, as I see it, is the only direction you've got left... and this is the way you respond??

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If well maintained, timber can outlast just about any man made product. Boat owners of all people should know that!
Yes, but that proper maintenance is often hard to find, especially in the tropics. If you go on any boats for sale site, like Yachtworld, Soundings, etc. you will see that wooden boats that are 40 years old or older are very rare, and the ones surviving are typically larger boats built by famous yards. And almost none of them are made of plywood, which is not as durable as mahogany, used in construction of high quality boats.

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I put the time in to explain the situation to you and point you in what, as I see it, is the only direction you've got left... and this is the way you respond??

Good luck with that approach.
I thought you said there was nothing more for you to add? Time is also one direction I have left. It's a small world with the WWW and it's only a matter of time and I will get some answers.
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Without breaking rules that trigger responses from the moderators there is a web etiquette that goes beyond just trying to sell copyrighted materials. Attacking longtime residents of a board is certainly not going to get you results or win you popularity from the other members of this board.
For your information... I at no point have tried to sell copyrighted material. -Watch you don't slander someone now!- I have merely asked if it may be possible under certain circumstances. As it stands 'FYI', the designer of this yacht passed away many years ago and to my limited (but growing) knowledge left few or no living relatives to carry on his legacy. I have since spoken to an intellectual property lawyer at a very reputable firm to gain valuable insight. Anyone can copy and sell any copyrighted material but they do so at their own risk, the risk of having legal action taken against them in one form or another. Also I haven't "attacked" any members on this site. I simply retorted in a manner befitting of the respondent. I can post any information on a thread as I see fit to. If I should break any forum rules I'm positive a goody little two shoes/non sinner would soon cast my details to the moderators lion pit. So again I will state that I have good reason to be on this site posting the information that I have. I'm always keen to discuss this yacht and anything that is related. As it is I have just gotten off the phone with a King isl' local and I'm being referred around to more of them. So my search is not in vain.
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Yes, but that proper maintenance is often hard to find, especially in the tropics. If you go on any boats for sale site, like Yachtworld, Soundings, etc. you will see that wooden boats that are 40 years old or older are very rare, and the ones surviving are typically larger boats built by famous yards. And almost none of them are made of plywood, which is not as durable as mahogany, used in construction of high quality boats.
To my knowledge the ORION 3 was built with mahogany ply!
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I thought you said there was nothing more for you to add? Time is also one direction I have left. It's a small world with the WWW and it's only a matter of time and I will get some answers.
DJ, your attitude certainly stinks and your flame attacks here are unwarranted.

..and there is plenty I (and others here I'm sure) can add if you can be bothered to ask nicely: Given that your initial attempts to straight-out ask the world for copies of obscure plans have failed thus far, it'll require you to get off your backside and do some digging. Having been down a similar path myself, I've already told you where your answers are most likely to lie, but if you must do it the hard way, ask Mr Mori Flapan of ANZ Ship Register if he knows anything about your designer - and don't tell him I told you.

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To my knowledge the ORION 3 was built with mahogany ply!
It's the glue that fails, not the timber...

Cor blimey!

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I have contacted the ANMM and they're looking into it for me. For that I thank you. I have already contacted the aus' and NZ ship register but it's exactly that, a register for 'ships' not small yachts. I have contacted M.A.S.T but they found no yachts 'currently' registered matching what I'm looking for. My search also includes contacting the tas' library service to find dennis' death notice in a tas' newspaper archives (in the hope of finding/contacting relatives, I'll be doing that this week sometime) and the Gosford city council to see what info they had on dennis ( I can now tell you where he lived in the 70's!). I've searched aus and UK websites that list yacht designers of the 60's & 70's suffice to say theres quite a few designers out there both old and new and my search included looking for the designers name and the relative design I'm seeking. I have also, just in the last couple of days, spent some time on the phone with King isl' residents. One of which suprised me by saying he may well have seen the ORION 3 in someones front yard about 20 years ago, he said what he saw looked like a hartley but it's gone now. He gave me contact info of a mate who's been on the island since '77 so I've sent pics to them and so far there's a small but visible light at the end of the tunnel. My efforts have also involved spending many late nights (into the early hours of morning) surfing the web to cover as many bases as I can. I'm about to surf the white pages online listings to call those with the same surname as dennis, but there's only so many hours in a day!

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