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Exactly... Hell, the CG is not even the lead investigative unit looking into the ARTEMIS accident, that investigation is being handled by the SF Police Department, as was done last year after the Farrallons tragedy...
Thanks for posting that Latitude38 article Jon...
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I don't see how they are going to find days where wind does not exceed 20kts during July. So we are looking at the LV Cup being held in October now? Or will the races be held at night or at 8AM before the wind comes up?
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Or will the races be held at night
Awesome! Lit by spotlights from Blackhawk helicopters and flares. That'll bring in the TV audience!
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I don't see how they are going to find days where wind does not exceed 20kts during July. So we are looking at the LV Cup being held in October now? Or will the races be held at night or at 8AM before the wind comes up?
It will be a drag like in Valencia with the boats on the water for hours, with people waiting endlessly for the beginning of a race that after all will not take place. It is bad for the public, for the sport and incredibly bad for TV coverage.

Very bad for business and in the end for sailing.

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If the NOAA report predicts an SCA (25+ kts); and the USCG issued the permit; who's responsible if there is another CATastrophic failure even if the winds were below the 20kt limit. What about apparent wind? Is there a 20kt limit on that too??
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It will be a drag like in Valencia with the boats on the water for hours, with people waiting endlessly for the beginning of a race that after all will not take place. It is bad for the public, for the sport and incredibly bad for TV coverage.

Very bad for business and in the end for sailing.

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Yeah except this could go on for months just to get the LV cup races done. I don't think the people proposing the wind be lower than 20kts understand that it's rare for it to be sub-20 kts during the summer months. When the 45's raced in October here it was 18-20, and that's at the tail end of the summer wind here.
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If the NOAA report predicts an SCA (25+ kts); and the USCG issued the permit; who's responsible if there is another CATastrophic failure even if the winds were below the 20kt limit. What about apparent wind? Is there a 20kt limit on that too??
For what I saw in Valencia on the monohull finals, the boat are on the water and the teams and the race director discuss endlessly if there are conditions or not, if the wind is going to increase or lower and only when all are in agreement the race begins.

As in Valencia or S Francisco it is very easy to have winds over the limits those discussions and waiting time can be quite long with many racing days cancelled after spectators being there all day hoping to see a race that never happens.

Quite boring I can tell you.

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Re: Another America’s Cup entry destroyed

If the organizing committee is worried about too much wind, they only have to use the anemometer on GGYC’s race deck – that thing never reads over 20kts! But seriously, those of us who regularly race on San Francisco Bay know that the City Front courses rarely exceed 20kts – you have to be in the slot before you get the famous 30kt afternoon winds. I think that the organizing committee has a pretty safe bet of meeting their TV schedule. I say they should race in any wind condition. The venue and wind conditions were well known before the first NA put pen to paper (or is it “mouse to CAD”?). So if a team did a poor job of preparing for the race than they should be willing to suffer the consequences.

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Hmm, many times the strongest winds on the bay are shown to be between Alcatraz and the Cityfront (on the wind modeling website); which is right where the 72's will be racing. If there is an ebb it's some of the heaviest chop on the bay too (aside from the east side near Berkeley). But you might be right when you say that the GGYC will proclaim it safe to race based on their race deck amemometer (hope so).
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Not sure what model you are looking at but those of us who race on the Bay know that the City side is where you go for wind relief. The shear line runs from Blackaller to Alcatraz and on to just outside Blossom Rock. If you think it’s windy by the City, you ought to try a mark rounding at Harding Rock on the same day!

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