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Is it always up to someone else to minimize your exposure to risk; or can it be a personal decision.
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Is it always up to someone else to minimize your exposure to risk; or can it be a personal decision.
When you are calling all the shots, I'm good with it being yours. These paid crew members have zero say in the matter. If they want/need the resume/job, others are deciding the risk for them. Just like a construction worker.


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Ok. I don't agree with you but, as my wife says, if everyone thinks like me we'd be in big trouble.
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Re: Another America’s Cup entry destroyed

Whether it's a sail boat, America's Cup yacht, commercial fishing boat, tug boat or mega-yacht; if you don't take the job, someone else will. Period. If it's your profession and you have a family to support, you will quickly be black-listed if you seek only the perfect boats. It doesn't matter whether you are cook or captain; there are hundreds of folks out there who will gladly take your position, never mind the prestige of the America's Cup.
I took a tug and barge from St. Thomas to St. Barths (and back) in the days before GPS without a even a functioning compass or radio. When I wanted a shower, all I had to do was go down into the engine room and stand under the pin holes around the waterline to get a great saltwater stream. Steering by the stars is not a very good navigational method, by the way. We all knew the risks, but we needed the work, so we shut up and did the job.
I agree with those above that it seems we are going backwards on safety at the moment, but imagine being master of the first ULCC and finding that once the water under the keel gets shallow enough (somewhere around 70 feet, if I remember correctly and a draft of 125 feet), the vessel becomes completely unresponsive to the helm. Surpise! And dangerous!
When the Bounty was lost (a monohull I believe) many felt that something should be done. The company has been strangely silent; perhaps the captain was given little choice on when the boat needed to be in Florida?
These cat sailors are venturing into uncharted waters, so to speak, and errors, some unfortunately fatal, must be expected. But in time, as with every other innovation, understanding and practice will lead to grand advances in equipment, knowledge and safety.
Sailing is still the safest sport, I believe. It is certainly much safer than the average American's commute each and every day.
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I don't disagree with all these activities originally taking on risk. But whether it is flight, space missions or formula one racing, the next evolution of the activity was safer than the last.

This specifically not the case with AC racing at the moment. They amp'd up to cats, then to 45s, then to 72s. All the while, they were getting more and more dangerous, with more accidents and injuries.

That's my point.
I agree with you. And, apparently, so does Coutts. It was too much too soon. Maybe going down to a 60? I don't know. But I do love that they are creating/driving boats that can foil at 40+ knots. THAT IS COOL!


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I agree with you. And, apparently, so does Coutts. It was too much too soon. Maybe going down to a 60? I don't know. But I do love that they are creating/driving boats that can foil at 40+ knots. THAT IS COOL!
We had the 45s in Newport this past summer. Very cool, although, they wrecked one of them too.

The wing is pretty cool in general and an outstanding advancement in technology. However, would you sail one to Bermuda? They need to figure out how to tame it.


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We are not supporting this activity like we did in the past.it remains an interesting diversion but is no longer embraced like the French embrace their long distance sailors. There must be a reason.
As regards safety bikers say"even in a group you still ride your own ride".lots of more dangerous ways to make a living farming +fishing come to mind

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What I don't get is that they realized early that they would be foiling, yet did not allow attitude control. It strikes me that this half way status is foolish. If they didn't want foiling they could have very simply prevented it.

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Re: Another America’s Cup entry destroyed

was an interesting description of a novice to these types of boats ( although an experieinced sailor) in one of the recent rags. Apparently helming these craft is totally different and not all all like the "seat of your pants" viiseral affair we all do intutively. Just like the autopilot may stear the boat faster than a human helmsman not unlikely a computer getting input from all components may be faster and safer on these as well.Run fast you're more likely to trip- on land and sea. Be a kick to do it though.

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Re: Another America’s Cup entry destroyed

Remember this?

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My, how things have changed.

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