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Re: Another America’s Cup entry destroyed

Golf increased its viewership, without needing clubs that could kill the players. That's watching grass grow.
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Re: Another America’s Cup entry destroyed

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Golf increased its viewership, without needing clubs that could kill the players. That's watching grass grow.
No but if the oracle team designed them a club that could hit a ball faster than the speed of sound you can be sure they would all be using it.
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Re: Another America’s Cup entry destroyed

It's not just some of us bone head sailnetters that think the AC 72's are too dangerous:
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"AC 72 Safety Controversy
On May 9th 2013 the Swedish team first AC 72 flipped in the second overturn of these boats in under a year resulting in the death of olympic medalist Andrew James Simpson, one of the members of the team. He was a British sailor nicknamed Bart who had won a gold medal at the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, as crew for skipper Iain Percy in the Star class.[21][22]The AC 72 capsized while sailors were training Thursday in the San Francisco bay just north of Treasure Island. According to media reports structural damage may have been the cause.[23] Emergency crews performed CPR on one of the sailors, according to the San Francisco Fire Department. Ten people on board were transferred into an Oracle Racing support boat.

Investigations into the incident will be led by the U.S. Coastguard to determine whether this was an isolated incident or if the current America’s Cup safety regulations are sufficient. This was the second of the new 72-foot catamarans to crash in training.[24]

The power and speed of the catamarans used in the America’s Cup, rather than traditional one-hulled boats, has attracted criticisms in the past after Sir Keith Mills cancelled his British Team Origin campaign for the 2011 event, due to concerns over safety.[25] Stephen Barclay, the chief executive officer of the America's Cup Event Authority, has promised a full inquiry into the events which led to Simpson’s death and has refused to rule out the possibility of postponing the July 4 start of the Louis Vuitton Cup series, which determines the challenger to compete in the America’s Cup.[26] The future of the 2013 America’s Cup was put further in doubt after Patrizio Bertelli, the owner of team Luna Rossa – who are due to compete in this year’s race, told organisers he was considering withdrawing his team from the competition on safety grounds.[27]"
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Sorry when you have to equip everybody with crash helmets and emergency air bottles NOT a go IMHP

While not OD it has for the most part been a box rule of some type

The sport is supposed to a match racing game of who has better tactics and can control the race
Where is that written. If you want to see that watch the Olympics. They use one designs. AC is a different animal.

The sport is also about innovation, design and material advance as well. It sent confined to one dimension. The winning team if I remember defines the type of racers for the following AC. I like they are all different.

I also appreciate the 12 meter boats of old and have sailed on 5 of them. I also appreciate the new technological marvels. They intrigue a different part of me.

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I want to go back the old days when you built the boat at home crewed it with people from your own country, sailed it to wherever the competition was taking place then sailed it back home.
Why don't we go further back to wood boats and square riggers.
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Re: Another America’s Cup entry destroyed

That is also my understanding. The team that wins the AC cup then writes the rules for the next race. I am sure a team (from a country that does not have a high value for life) could design a multi-hull that would not only be incredibly fast, but would also kill the entire crew in the event of a capsize or pitchpole, but is that want we want to see?

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Why don't we go further back to wood boats and square riggers.
That actually might be interesting, have some wooden tall ship clipper races. A much better investment in boats than the throw away AC 72's.
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Its interesting how this accident has brought biases to the surface. Its clear there are lot of people that don't like the new AC boats or the format created for them, but the AC has always pushed the state of the art of boat design and the AC72's are definitely the leading edge of sail propelled craft. Also, its arguably the only thing keeping the AC alive, though there are no doubt those that would prefer to see it die rather than evolve.

There was little to no hue and cry over the boats or race format when many sailors were lost on the Farallon's or N2E (only the skipper/crews were vilified in those cases), or when VOR sailors have been lost. Some did express opposition to "cruise races" formats that resulted in the loss of Rule 62, but again it was mainly the skipper that bore the brunt of the sailing communities scorn.

For me, all these accidents and more at even lower levels or racing provide evidence of my assertion that sailing and especially racing, by its nature, is dangerous and sailors are occasionally killed participating at every level from club racing right up to the top. If you don't like the new AC boats, that's great, but don't fool yourself into thinking the new boat or format is more or less dangerous than any other. There just is no evidence to support that assertion at this point.

If you want old school mono-hull racing identical boats, there is the Congressional Cup, NYYC, One Design racing all over the country, etc.
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That is also my understanding. The team that wins the AC cup then writes the rules for the next race.
That is not the case. The winner gets to choose the venue and the boat design criteria. The winner does not get to rewrite the Deed of Gift, which is the ruling document for the America's Cup.
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