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Get rid of those flying hull big cats. They just killed someone. Stick to the monos.
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As cynical and awful as it may sound, I don't think that the death of a crewman is enough to shake these guys from their commitment to these boats and this format. They have invested so much time and money into them that I think the only thing that will make the Oracle team abandon the boats is if they just prove to be so fragile that they can't run the races (enough of the participants run through their allotment of two boats), or if the racing community decides they're too expensive/dangerous to operate and they decline to participate in future cups.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a different cup holder (if Oracle loses) change back to monohulls or some less extreme version of a catamaran.
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As cynical and awful as it may sound, I don't think that the death of a crewman is enough to shake these guys from their commitment to these boats and this format. They have invested so much time and money into them that I think the only thing that will make the Oracle team abandon the boats is if they just prove to be so fragile that they can't run the races (enough of the participants run through their allotment of two boats), or if the racing community decides they're too expensive/dangerous to operate and they decline to participate in future cups.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a different cup holder (if Oracle loses) change back to monohulls or some less extreme version of a catamaran.
Racing by its nature is dangerous. Its not like AC participants are being killed regularly like the heyday of Formula 1 auto racing.

Its sad a sailor was lost, but its hardly a common occurrence and while I don't love the Cats like the mono's of old, it seems the new boats and new format are helping bring the AC back from the brink of anachronism.

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This sucks.

How much time needs to go by until they use the "danger" as a marketing tactic to draw more audiences to the "excitement"

There is too much money poured into the show that is big cat racing to allow anything to stop it now.

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This is a shame, RIP.


I too wish they would go back to the mono-hull but not because of any perceived danger, I just like the mono-hulls a LOT better.
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Racing by its nature is dangerous. Its not like AC participants are being killed regularly like the heyday of Formula 1 auto racing.

Its sad a sailor was lost, but its hardly a common occurrence and while I don't love the Cats like the mono's of old, it seems the new boats and new format are helping bring the AC back from the brink of anachronism.
I agree in some respects. The entire sports world now rotates around danger and avoiding it. It has always been this way. Remeber ABC's "and the agony of defeat". But it should not be "and the agony of death". But these boats are pretty dangerous when they capsize. You are what 40 feet above the water if your on the upwind hull when she is flying- the drop alone is enough to kill you. You can get killed on a mono also, but still much safer- a knock down should not kill anyone, although it still could, still a lot safer.

The other thing, with these cats, what does the winner really prove to anyone? Just too many variables to make or break the race that has nothing to do with sailing.

I would rather see these guys and gals race a nice heavy duty mono in 40-50 knots with 20 foot seas, now that would be exciting.
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Racing by its nature is dangerous. Its not like AC participants are being killed regularly like the heyday of Formula 1 auto racing.

Its sad a sailor was lost, but its hardly a common occurrence
These cats have not been raced for that long, time will tell.
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I would prefer AC to be raced in a one design format. Everyone on the same style boat, same style sails, same number of people. They it would be a race about strategy and crew skills

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