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There have been a couple of Ocean 71's in local waters. I was drooling over one from the dock one day when I realized there wasn't a single piece of hardware on deck that would cost less than a days pay. A single turnbuckle would be $hundreds and there were nearly two dozen of them (it was a ketch). Just a toggle on one of the shrouds would have cost $100 at least - they must have been 5 Lbs of S/S each. Any of the sails would cost as much as a decent cruising boat of a sane size.

The thing was a ship, not a boat. The forces involved when the sails were loaded must have been staggering.

The move to 100' would double everything again. It would take a 7 digit expenditure every year to keep a 100' going.
+1 Jon! And even if the money is no problem, there is the time involved to keep up the boat (either doing the work yourself or administrating the crew and repair people). Some of the wisest words I have ever heard was from a cruiser on a 40 something boat who said that if it weren't for his wife (who wanted certain luxuries), he'd own a 28ft cruiser that he could anchor in new ports and forget about as he travelled inland. If he lost the boat on a reef he could just buy another one and keep going. The stress level when you have a huge chunk of equity tied up in your boat is terrible- you cringe with every docking ding as you get out the cheque book. There is a lot to be said for going smaller!
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That's what I'm currently doing. I sold a 10 metric ton Columbia 43 last fall and I'm picking up my "new" Fortune 30 - 5 tons - next week. I won't need to rustle up crew to go out for an evening sail and it won't take an hour at each end to get going and put it to bed.

Years ago every survey of experienced cruisers said 35'-40' was the optimum for long term use.

I have learned through personal experience that they were right.

Big boats are very seductive and exciting to sail but they can quickly become effectively a small business to own & operate.

A business that incurs a major financial loss every year.
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Congratulations on the new boat Jon! Post some pics if you can.

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Congratulations on the new boat Jon! Post some pics if you can.
Will do, once she's officially mine.

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Thanks everyone for the advice, links and help. I've got 8 boats ranging from 38-62' that I've inquired about. I'll keep you all posted.
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I'd strongly suggest you try to get some time hard sailing time aboard a boat over 50' before seriously considering a boat of that size...

There is a HUGE exponential discrepancy between the bottom and top of your size range... 38' is not too far from the maximum size boat I, personally, would ever care to own... And, I've passed on doing a delivery of a 62-footer, simply because that is way more boat than I care to be responsible for offshore, and sailing boats that can produce forces so in excess of my own physical ability to manage simply frightens me...

Not to mention, do you really think your girlfriend would be up to handling a 62' boat by herself? Because, that's what it might come down to some day in an emergency, and chances are when conditions could be difficult... Always surprises me, how many cruising couples seem to overlook the significant risk being taken, by getting into a size of boat so far beyond the ability of either partner to handle alone...

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