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Teak substitutes. Why not?

With the introduction of several synthetic teak "look alike" products like Permateek or Nuteak in the market for years now, how come you don't see it more often in boats? New or older boats having it installed. Is it just cost? They are not cheap by any means! They seem to look good, are glue on, are advertised as lasting a long time, and add grip to the surface. Seems like all the benefits of real teak and none of the downsides, yet I rarely see it on sailboats. Any opinions?
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Re: Teak substitutes. Why not?

A big part is cost I think, and labor required.
They share some of the issues of teak(can get hot underfoot vs a white deck, adds weight, costs a fair bit to do right)

Upsides are lower upkeep, provides some non-skid properties, looks cool(and I think makes a lot of sense for boats that have had teak deck removed especially).

Nu-teak is very dependent on the quality of the caulking. It is possible to re-finish, we've actually just refinished the decks on a 46' Meridian. However, as soon as the caulking goes, it starts to delaminate from the deck as water gets under it, and looks pretty bad after that.

We are doing a Flexiteek install right now, it is similar to Nu-teak but lasts a lot longer. First you make templates of the decks, which are sent to the Flexiteek factory. They build the whole deck in panels, what looks like caulking are actually welded seams(avoiding the de-lamination issues, and can be refinished more times as it's all one material). It is ground down with different grits, to recreate the 'grain', and it looks a lot more real, plus it seems to have a bit more grip vs the Nuteak.
Costs more though, Nuteak is essentially strips of the same material that you bed in caulking.

I'll take some photos when it's done.
other steps that add costs, all the gutters between the nonskid patches have to be faired up to match the top of the nonskid, any small cracks or chips get filled, then the whole surface is de-greased and sanded.

Not an inexpensive process, but for some areas I think it makes a lot of sense, especially high traffic areas.
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Re: Teak substitutes. Why not?

Big sister sistership to ours replaced teak trim with Plas-teak and was happy with the result: CSY Sailboats: Then and Now: Cap Rail Replacement, "GLORY" of Christiansted, CSY 37
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Re: Teak substitutes. Why not?

Good question, although any color but white decks in the tropics is a no-no. Price is probably a big factor as well.
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Re: Teak substitutes. Why not?

Comes in many colours ;-) Including Black(maybe for the Arctic? :-p)
A light grey and a white. If I were to do it, I think I'd go for the lightest wood coloured one.
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Re: Teak substitutes. Why not?

The Nu teak people installed Nuteak on my 40 fairline about three years ago. I can confirm what JgBrown said. Gaps between the strips started to appear on the deck . Water seeped in and its now coming unglued. The Nuteak people replaced a hatch but have disappeared and the rest of the deck looks like crap. They blame it on a bad batch of glue. No doubt I now regret having installed this on my boat.
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Re: Teak substitutes. Why not?

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A big part is cost I think, and labor required.
They share some of the issues of teak(can get hot underfoot vs a white deck, adds weight, costs a fair bit to do right)

Upsides are lower upkeep, provides some non-skid properties, looks cool(and I think makes a lot of sense for boats that have had teak deck removed especially).

Nu-teak is very dependent on the quality of the caulking. It is possible to re-finish, we've actually just refinished the decks on a 46' Meridian. However, as soon as the caulking goes, it starts to delaminate from the deck as water gets under it, and looks pretty bad after that.

We are doing a Flexiteek install right now, it is similar to Nu-teak but lasts a lot longer. First you make templates of the decks, which are sent to the Flexiteek factory. They build the whole deck in panels, what looks like caulking are actually welded seams(avoiding the de-lamination issues, and can be refinished more times as it's all one material). It is ground down with different grits, to recreate the 'grain', and it looks a lot more real, plus it seems to have a bit more grip vs the Nuteak.
Costs more though, Nuteak is essentially strips of the same material that you bed in caulking.

I'll take some photos when it's done.
other steps that add costs, all the gutters between the nonskid patches have to be faired up to match the top of the nonskid, any small cracks or chips get filled, then the whole surface is de-greased and sanded.

Not an inexpensive process, but for some areas I think it makes a lot of sense, especially high traffic areas.
Well since this has been bumped, any updates on this?
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Re: Teak substitutes. Why not?

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The Nu teak people installed Nuteak on my 40 fairline about three years ago. I can confirm what JgBrown said. Gaps between the strips started to appear on the deck . Water seeped in and its now coming unglued. The Nuteak people replaced a hatch but have disappeared and the rest of the deck looks like crap. They blame it on a bad batch of glue. No doubt I now regret having installed this on my boat.
The same exact thing happened on our boat with Plas-teak that was less than 5 years old. They also blamed a bad batch of glue however it was clear that the material itself had shrunk in the sun as well. What a nightmare! We ended up pulling it all off and glueing down real teak on the cabin tops and used kiwi grip on the decks. In the areas that we used teak the cost was less than if we would have used another synthetic teak substitute.
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Re: Teak substitutes. Why not?

Just look at any Amel. Faux teak decks installed from new. Henri was no numptie!
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Re: Teak substitutes. Why not?

Why not use cork?
Cheap, durable, doesn't slip even if wet and easy to maintain... And did i mention that it is cheap?
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