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nolatom 05-14-2013 10:56 AM

USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..
 
It looks as though it's those damn "open motorboats" followed by personal watercraft, cabin motorboat, canoe/kayak and "pontoon", that have the highest casualty numbers:

http://www.uscgboating.org/statistic...tatistics.aspx

Click on downloading 2012 only, it's very long but the interesting pages (to me) are pages 6, 7, and 41, which are the Executive Summary (we executives can't be bothered to read long stuff) and the "Accidents by vessel type" page.

Good news!! deaths down by 13% over previous year.

No surprises--operator inattention and inexperience are the leading causes, then lookout, machinery failure, speed, navrules violation, alcohol use, wake, weather/hazardous waters, in that order. Alcohol use though 7th place, was by far the leading cause of death, double the next leader.

Total deaths 651, 286 of which in from open motorboat, 58 PWC, 55 cabin motorboat, 52 canoe, 44 pontoon, then it drops off. 3 types of sailboats (auxiliary, sail only, and "unknown") combined for 27.

There may be some page in there that tells you a ratio of deaths to the type of boat, but I suspect the sailboat crowd comes in safer than the bad actors in those open motorboats......

Perhaps you could ask your insurance company. They probably look at these numbers much more carefully than anyone else.


Now, that said, there are accidents caused by recreational craft to commercial vessels that don't show in the recreational stats. I handled one such at work last year. Gulf intracoastal waterway on a Sunday in Louisiana, two oil barge (loaded!) tows strung out in front of their towboats, approaching each other with a radio-agreed meeting arrangement when three idiot water skiiers towed by an (unidentified, and not for lack of trying) idiot ski boat with an idiot PWC tagging along, all overtook one of the tows then cut in front, then had their skiiers suddenly become idiot swimmers in front of both tows.

Tows hit the brakes but this ain't Nascar, it takes a long time to stop and cocks you off your "line" too when you go emergency full astern. But it gave boats just enough time to grab their very fortunate swimmers and skedaddle, though they hung on the sidelines just long enough to see the bow-to-bow collision between the tows before bugging out. That collision aspect was fortunate since the bow rakes are the only part of those barges where there ain't oil. So no spill, but a real fender-bender. now, that would have made the commercial vessel stats but not the recreational stats. So nothing in accident stats tells you the "whole story" but this one really could have made the news and in a bad way (deaths, big oil spill) if things had gone wrong.

Anyway, hope the stats are interesting, and might provoke a discussion?

mad_machine 05-14-2013 11:04 AM

Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..
 
water skiers and PWCs are some of the worst things to hit boating. Yes they are fun, but far too often they are busy being asses out on the water.

I am glad that deaths are down. Maybe more people are carrying the proper equipment now? or is it just less boaters on the water?

c. breeze 05-14-2013 11:14 AM

Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..
 
Looking out at the Wilmington bull and savannah rivers this weekend I would be hard pressed to believe it could be number of boaters going down overall. It still seems plenty crowded- of course if you used to see 35 boats a day- you aren't going to notice when it dwindles to a measly 30 a day- it will still just "feel" crowded.

paradiselostparrot 05-14-2013 11:30 AM

Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..
 
I really don't like pwc.
109 death from booze.#1 cause
Accidents are down because gas is $4 bucks a gallon.
They go boating less often and slower.

smackdaddy 05-14-2013 11:37 AM

Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..
 
Nola, these stats are always a wake-up call to the "sailing will kill you" crowd. I started a similar thread a couple of years ago on the same stats for that year:

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/genera...e-sailing.html

The bottom line? To be statistically safe sailing all you have to do is 4 things:

1. Get 10 or so hours of some informal training on how to sail
2. Take a 40' vessel into the open ocean in rough to very rough conditions
3. Wear a pfd, don't drink, stay on the boat (regardless of make or year)
4. Sail REALLY fast

I'm down with that.

(We're safer than a freakin' canoe!)

PCP 05-14-2013 11:38 AM

Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nolatom (Post 1030004)
...
Total deaths 651, 286 of which in from open motorboat, 58 PWC, 55 cabin motorboat, 52 canoe, 44 pontoon, then it drops off. 3 types of sailboats (auxiliary, sail only, and "unknown") combined for 27.

There may be some page in there that tells you a ratio of deaths to the type of boat, but I suspect the sailboat crowd comes in safer than the bad actors in those open motorboats......

....

That's the relevant part, I mean what is the proportion of open motorboats to sailboats. I suppose there are a lot more open motor boats in the States but it would tale a percentage of more then 10 to one to gave an approximated number. Maybe there are.

I would be more interested to know if there are more small boats (yachts) rescues offshore now than in the past but they never detail the data and anyway it would have to be a global survey to make sense.

Regards

Paulo

krisscross 05-14-2013 12:04 PM

Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..
 
Statistics are tricky. Obviously there are many times more powerboats than sailboats. I have seen numbers like 13 million powerboats and 45,000 sailboats - that is like 290:1 ratio.
So if sailboat fatalities were at a ratio of 10:1 that is nothing to be happy about.

denverd0n 05-14-2013 12:16 PM

Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mad_machine (Post 1030009)
I am glad that deaths are down. Maybe more people are carrying the proper equipment now? or is it just less boaters on the water?

I suspect that it is more states putting more emphasis on arresting boaters under the influence of alcohol, and making sure to publicize all such arrests. At least, they're doing that here in Florida.

tommays 05-14-2013 12:44 PM

Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..
 
There has certainly been a LOT OF PUBLIC DISPLAY OF RULES ENFORCEMENT in my area with a HUGE ANTI BWI effort

Minnesail 05-14-2013 01:16 PM

Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by krisscross (Post 1030041)
Statistics are tricky. Obviously there are many times more powerboats than sailboats. I have seen numbers like 13 million powerboats and 45,000 sailboats - that is like 290:1 ratio.
So if sailboat fatalities were at a ratio of 10:1 that is nothing to be happy about.

Statistics are very tricky!

Open powerboat trips tend to be quite brief. On a three-day powerboat weekend might spend a total of six hours in the boat pulling a skier or a tube around, whereas on a three-day sailboat weekend you might spend sixty hours in the boat.


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