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OK - Lets see a show of hands. How many of you have experienced a one pound canister leak? Personally, never in 50 years and hundreds of canisters. ...
I've had a couple of them leak on me over the years. Once, about 20 years ago, when I was camping on Mount Lassen (luckily we had a spare). Latest one was a couple of years ago; I bought a new canister for my little propane torch, used it once or twice for a total of about 5 or 10 minutes, left it in the tool shed for a few months (disconnected from the torch), and found it completely empty when I needed to fix a hose-bib riser in the backyard one weekend.

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Did have some alcohol stove fires, though.
How many of those fires involved non-pressurized alcohol stoves?

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OK - Lets see a show of hands. How many of you have experienced a one pound canister leak? Personally, never in 50 years and hundreds of canisters. Did have some alcohol stove fires, though.

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I was thinking the same thing, don't they make a safety cap for these?

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Re: Coleman stove in the cockpit?

I have seen several leaks of propane at the connection fitting on portable equipment but only a couple of actual containers leaking.
Tanks belong outside the cabin and in a proper propane locker or attached where any leakage cannot get back into the boat.
Propane lines must have only one connection inside the cabin - to the appliance used. This means each appliance requires a seperate line from the propane tank (or regulator if used).

If you have ever seen a propane explosion you would follow ALL safety procedures without question. ( I was in a building that was destoryed by a propane explosion - a young man not 10' away from me was killed. I still use propane but follow ALL safety requirements plus any other things I think will make it safer for me.)

Used properly, propane is safe on board, and easy to use. I don't care for the smell of diesel or the pumping / priming of some other fuel systems and will continue using propane but always following safe practices. I hope others will Too.

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Re: Coleman stove in the cockpit?

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I've never witnessed one leaking "here and now". Did have adventures with a propane sniffer on one boat that insisted there was a leak, presumably from the box of propane bottles, but that was never resolved while I was around.

On the other hand, I had some propane and mapp bottles stored away at home in the back of a closet, and after maybe ten years the full bottles were empty--without ever being used. So I can tell you, THEY DO LEAK. The only question is how slowly or inconveniently.

You can address that by buying nicely made brass (sorry, not bronze) gasketed screw caps that are sold specifically for that purpose, sealing the bottles while they are in storage. Probably $5-10 each these days if you can chase them down.
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Re: Coleman stove in the cockpit?

All the effort everyone with a gas stove puts into making them "safe" (your word, not mine). Why not just use a much safer fuel in the first place. Because, no matter how many safety gizmos you add to a propane system it will never be as safe as a non-pressurized alcohol stove.

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Because, no matter how many safety gizmos you add to a propane alcohol system it will never be as safe as a non-pressurized alcohol stove Snickers bar.

Its all relative, isn't it?
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Because, no matter how many safety gizmos you add to a propane alcohol system it will never be as safe as a non-pressurized alcohol stove Snickers bar.

Its all relative, isn't it?
The difference is that I can still cook dinner with my alcohol stove. If it does take any longer to cook than does a propane stove, and that us open to debate, it isn't enough of a difference to worry about. On the other hand, difference between propane and alcohol in their potential for disaster IS enough to worry about.

Propane leaks DO happen; equipment fails, people forget. Once that happens, explosive fumes can build up in the bilge. However, if one uses a non-pressurized alcohol stove the potential for explosion is eliminated. No fuel is completely risk free, and nothing is idiot-proof. But a non-pressurized alcohol stove is much safer than a propane stove, because propane has a FAR FAR higher potential to explode.

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You're right. You still have to cook dinner with your alky stove. I don't need to slave over a stove with a Snickers Bar, I can just peel it and eat it. No pots or dishes to wash and stow, either.

And actually, if you light a Snickers bar on fire, you'll probably get proportionately more BTU's out of it than you do, comparing a 6000 but alky burner to an 18,000 btu propane burner. Not as good as the hexane tablets, though. (VBG)

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OK - Lets see a show of hands. How many of you have experienced a one pound canister leak? Personally, never in 50 years and hundreds of canisters. Did have some alcohol stove fires, though.

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it only takes once, so it is worth the extra precautions IMO.

I have seen a bottle blow up (user error) very close to me, I have a healthy respect for the fire ball they can create and would not want to experience it in a fiberglass enclosure.

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