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Re: Where are the younger people?

For what it is worth in the discussion: I am 36 years old and have three small children. I started sailing about 5 years ago and had my own boat (mac 2-22) until last fall. I am eagerly anticipating a bigger boat to cruise on. My two older children 4 and 8 love the water and would be on the boat as much as I would take them. I race in beer can races when I can but Cruising is where I would like to be. Now being 36 ad having the equivalent of 2 jobs a wife and Kids there are certain limitations financially and with time. The investment for me to be in a boat that I can cruise here in Chicago would be a $4000.00 per year minimum on top of my initial investment. I am just in a place in life (as are many of my fellow Gen Ex'ers) where affording the hobby of cruising just is not a reality at this time. As I get older and more established in my business and further into my Mortgage then it will likely open up for me. But for now I sail other peoples boats and jump on where and when I can. That for now is my sailing plight. Not that I don't want to it is that I can't
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The investment for me to be in a boat that I can cruise here in Chicago would be a $4000.00 per year minimum on top of my initial investment.
This is why we went for a "large" (26') trailerable boat that we can keep at our local small lake's sailing club on a slip for less than $800 per year rather than a larger boat up on Lake Michigan. We could have afforded a bigger boat (not ridiculously bigger..just bigger..) but the $4000 or so a year to store it plus the two hour drive to get to it soured us on that idea. We can always throw it on the trailer and tow it to destinations behind our F250 for long weekend to weeklong excursions! (not worth it to take it down for just a weekend though...sacrifices of having a "large" trailerable.)
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This is why we went for a "large" (26') trailerable boat that we can keep at our local small lake's sailing club on a slip for less than $800 per year rather than a larger boat up on Lake Michigan. We could have afforded a bigger boat (not ridiculously bigger..just bigger..) but the $4000 or so a year to store it plus the two hour drive to get to it soured us on that idea. We can always throw it on the trailer and tow it to destinations behind our F250 for long weekend to weeklong excursions! (not worth it to take it down for just a weekend though...sacrifices of having a "large" trailerable.)
That is exactly why my last boat was a MacGregor 2-22 on a trailer. $800 for summer and $400 for winter storage. And I sailed her on Lake Michigan exclusively.
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what do you guys say the cost for a big enough boat to coastal cruise and upkeep is per month is?
In Seattle I think my Catalina 25 met about that definition.

Moorage was (and is) $175/mo. That is the cheapest that I've heard of inside Seattle. Haulout + maint (DIY) + consumables about $1500/year. Some years will be cheaper, but they'll be balanced out by ones that cost more. Initial boat investment about $8000 ($3-5000 for the boat, plus money to catch up on deferred maint and making it into the boat that you want). I think you can get the initial investment down lower by being a smarter buyer than I was and finding a $7000 boat that was recently overhauled.

So you need to save about $8000-$10,000 for the first year, and $3500 per year after that. The numbers are similar for almost everyone I know who owns a smaller boat around here.

Jumping to a ~30' boat and being on the sound (saving you 2-3 hours of lock transit time every time you cruise) means twice as much to moorage, at least twice as much in boat purchase cost and maintenance, with the benefit of more comfort.
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5k is closer to what I was expecting then what some other people say
I think that might be another reason why you don't see more sub-40s people sailing:
The perception of high cost.

Frequently I get asked, "What does it cost to sail?"
My answer has become,
"As much as you have, or as little as you've got, if you REALLY want to sail. if what you really want is a "someday, maybe" dream, then it's more than you can afford. Sailors find a way around the obstacles- dreamers use the obstacles as excuses."


I see a lot of folks sailing the hell out of Siren 17s, Tanzer 22s, Oday Tempests, boats that can be had for less than the cost of a season of golf at a public course.

It really IS a very low cost sport, at the pocket-cruiser end of the spectrum, if you want it to be. I think the best deal in a small boat is a Siren 17- buy one for $2500 on a trailer, sail it for a couple of years, and you can still sell it, and sell it quickly, for $2500. Simple forgiving boats with accomodations for a cozy couple, room for a stove and a pumpout head, the Dock is usually home to 2 or 3 during the season, and the owners often weekend frequently.
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The investment for me to be in a boat that I can cruise here in Chicago would be a $4000.00 per year minimum on top of my initial investment.
Sadly, I can believe that. The State Owned "Farley Marina" here in Atlantic City is run by the Golden Nugget Casino. Slip fees for the season, not the year, would run me about $3000 for my 23 foot sailboat.

I am going to be keeping my boat behind a friend's house. She has several slips she rents out at about $700 for the year. It just means I am a mile further from the inlet and do not have such niceties as cable, pumpout, and fuel in the same facility.

Maybe there is somebody in the area that rents out slips in Chicago? or even a nearby lakeside town?
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I've already posted my story, but recently another friend bought a sailboat and is sailing with me too. I'm 25 with a 1983 Starwind 22, he's 26 with a 60's era Snipe (racing dinghy), and i also sail with a 30 year old with a Hobie 16, and a 24 year old with a Laser, and we all take friends out with us... I'd say there are quite a few young people out there considering this is just within my small group of friends in the landlocked state of cornfields and nascar fans, haha!
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Sadly, I can believe that. The State Owned "Farley Marina" here in Atlantic City is run by the Golden Nugget Casino. Slip fees for the season, not the year, would run me about $3000 for my 23 foot sailboat.

I am going to be keeping my boat behind a friend's house. She has several slips she rents out at about $700 for the year. It just means I am a mile further from the inlet and do not have such niceties as cable, pumpout, and fuel in the same facility.

Maybe there is somebody in the area that rents out slips in Chicago? or even a nearby lakeside town?
I was looking at the Indiana side of the border from Chicago (since I live in Indiana), and even in Hammond and East Chicago (very industrial, "ghetto"-y areas), if you were looking to have a slip and couldn't put the boat on a trailer for storage elsewhere for the winter it was going to be ~$3000 for year round storage/a slip on the water, even for a smallish boat. Michigan City was even more... We won't be getting a bigger boat until we can LIVE on it...and preferably be "cruising" where we are anchored out 95% of the time rather than in a Marina.
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I've already posted my story, but recently another friend bought a sailboat and is sailing with me too. I'm 25 with a 1983 Starwind 22, he's 26 with a 60's era Snipe (racing dinghy), and i also sail with a 30 year old with a Hobie 16, and a 24 year old with a Laser, and we all take friends out with us... I'd say there are quite a few young people out there considering this is just within my small group of friends in the landlocked state of cornfields and nascar fans, haha!
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