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Re: Cheap Classic Plastic smokes the fleet in 2013 Down the Bay Race

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... The cost of campaigning a boat in the 35ft range is very high regardless of the initial price. Plus the logistics are crazy. I had a half baked idea to do more racing and get a sport boat I could trailer around, once I started adding up the costs in time, money, and grey hair, I bagged the whole idea. The price of the boat was the last thing on my mind, instead it was the hotels, gas for the tow vehicle, new sails each year, restaurant bills, and trying to get 5 people to commit to a full schedule given the realities of today's work schedules. The guys who can take that time off, or pay people to put a campaign together for them, pay for all the maintenance, crew, and other expenses, are not going to skimp on the initial price.
The reason there is a lot more new boats used for race in Europe and a lot more sail racing has to do with that. Regular people like much more sailing here than in the US so it is much more easier to get a sponsor to pay at least part of the expenses. Because sailing is looked as "nice and clean" its value for promoting a product is much higher than in the states where its value seems to be associated with "old and rich guys".

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Re: Cheap Classic Plastic smokes the fleet in 2013 Down the Bay Race

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The reason there is a lot more new boats used for race in Europe and a lot more sail racing has to do with that. Regular people like much more sailing here than in the US so it is much more easier to get a sponsor to pay at least part of the expenses. Because sailing is looked as "nice and clean" its value for promoting a product is much higher than in the states where its value seems to be associated with "old and rich guys".

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That is part of it. I think part of it may also be that you folks have have not lost as much of your free time to the altars of globalization. Sailing takes space, money, time, and desire. Americans have money, the rest .... Of course this is just a generalization, there are still some folks here with all 4, and some with none. Still, my belief is that loss of time and space is a much greater contributor to sailing's decline here than money, marketing, or promotion.
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Re: Cheap Classic Plastic smokes the fleet in 2013 Down the Bay Race

Ah, classic plastic… As you may know, I race on a Cal 40 that was built back in the sixties. We were San Francisco YRA (HDA) season champions last year, been third in the Rolex Big Boat Series, 3rd in the Pac Cup and have amassed numerous other victories. Old girls can still rock! It still takes a lot of money to race competitively. You can find used Cal 40s for a low as $50k, but expect to put in another $100k to make that boat race-ready. It is still a lot cheaper than a J120 or Elan however.

Competitive sailing is a much different sport here than in Europe. Here it is much more Corinthian than a spectator sport. With sponsors out of the equation, and the owner footing all the bills, racing over here (at least in California) is much more democratic and you see a lot more classic plastic than the latest design. Interestingly, in May’s Sailing World there is a nice article about affordable (classic plastic) racers. In addition to the Cal 40, there are the Express 27 & 37s, Santa Cruz 27s, Moore 24s amongst others. Oh, by the way, the blue boat on the two page photo spread is us and yours truly is the guy sitting in the back of the boat.

What is the name of the hobbie and J24? I’ve sailed on a friend’s Hobbie 33 a few times and it is a lot of fun though a little Spartan with a porta potti, igloo ice chest, and no standing room down below. It is a trailer sailor after all. A “modern” equivalent would be a Melges 32. Once you have thrown the gauntlet down, you need to track them throughout the season and let us know their standings at the end of the year. One race does not make a trend. If it did, my lowly C34 out rates a Santa Cruz 50 because on one DH race I beat one boat-for-boat.
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Re: Cheap Classic Plastic smokes the fleet in 2013 Down the Bay Race

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Interestingly, in May’s Sailing World there is a nice article about affordable (classic plastic) racers. In addition to the Cal 40, there are the Express 27 & 37s, Santa Cruz 27s, Moore 24s amongst others. Oh, by the way, the blue boat on the two page photo spread is us and yours truly is the guy sitting in the back of the boat.

Got a link to that article or is it only available in print?
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Re: Cheap Classic Plastic smokes the fleet in 2013 Down the Bay Race

I would have to say that I agree with JamesWilson point. I do agree that boats like the Olson 30 has the best $$/Fun,speed ratio, that's almost irrefutable. We have one for sale here in Lake Ontario for $25k. The fact that it can sometimes win in real time against boats 200k more makes it very attractive.

I also I agree with his point on technology. Its real simple. They are making sport boats now that are only a couple of knots faster than some of these 30 year olds ULDBs. It takes no genius to know that compared to cars, planes, that sailboats are not advancing technologically exponentially to $$.

I do agree with Paulos points that you cannot compare the prices since a new Olson would probably cost $150k now.

I'm 29 and there is now way I can just drop 300k on a J111. And we can all agree that its a bit out of reach for many middle/upper middle class people and now think that you're only going 2+ knots more than a 30 year old boat.

At the same time if I can afford it Id get a wally and have a Pogo 30 as my liferaft.
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Re: Cheap Classic Plastic smokes the fleet in 2013 Down the Bay Race

I don't have a problem with older boats, I own one, but winning a race with corrected time isn't evidence on their behalf...the whole point of handicapping is to guarantee that slow boats, including older ones, can still win. Older boats must sometimes win, otherwise re handicapping is faulty.
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