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jumaggafanny 01-08-2009 08:14 PM

Original Helms documentation
This is the original builders certificate, mine is singed by Jack Helms and is notarized.

jumaggafanny 01-08-2009 08:17 PM

Price lists...Picasa Web Albums - David - Helms documents

That's better there are more doc's available there. Now you can "price" your boats original price.

Wayne25 01-11-2009 01:13 AM

That's a valuable piece of information. I'm glad you shared it. It answers a lot of questions on why the boats varied from one another - options from the factory.
I see the anodized mast and boom is an option. So silver aluminum doesn't mean a replacement mast or boom.
My boat didn't come with a spinnaker or it's hardware. It would be nice to know were it was all installed.
Interesting to see that winches were not standard and I don't have the optional jib halyard winch on the mast. How far up from the base of the mast is it mounted and is it the same size as the sheet winches or smaller?
I didn't know a backstay tensioner was optional. Now I know what the U-bolt is for at the top top of the transom. Anyone know what the original set up was like? ratio etc.?
I don't have the Boomvang option either. How fare from the gooseneck was the boom bail installed and what was the block ratio?
I wonder if the gas tank venting option was the two opposed cowl vents?
I wish I had the poptop cover option. David-is your cover an original or a copy of an original?

kwaltersmi 01-29-2009 10:36 AM


My boat does have a spinnaker and hardware (except for a spinnaker pole). There's a stainless d-ring loop and block about 2/3's of the way up the front of the mast for the spinpole topping lift. There's also a turning block at the base of the mast and a cam cleat on the coachroof to run the topping lift line back to the cockpit. Then there's a another d-loop on a sliding track (~3') on the front of the mast on the lower 1/3 for attaching the spinpole. Finally, there is a block on each of the stern corners for the spinnaker sheets to be routed to the winches. That's how mine is rigged. Hopefully I'll acquire a spin pole this year and try it out.

I also have a halyard winch on my mast. It's roughly the same size as the sheet winches, though it is of a different make. I do not have the handle for it and therefore do not use it. I've found that both the main and jib are raised fairly easily, though I sometimes wish I had a downhaul for the headsail.

My mast and boom have attachment points for a boomvang, though I don't have the actually vang. You can see the hardware in the picture below (excuse my ratty sails!).

eburgess 11-08-2010 08:43 PM

Purchesed '74 Helms 25 and rebuilding. Need forward hatch. Anyone know of a boat that is being sold for parts or how I could make or have made a duplicate?

eburgess 11-08-2010 09:21 PM

Helms 25
I live in Columbia, SC where Jack Helms lived and made his boats. Knew him as a splended craftsman; make beautiful furniture and boats.

I'm new to the web posting business but I'm looking for a replacemnt for my forward hatch on my H 25 sail #378. Any info would be appreciated.

jumaggafanny 11-09-2010 08:27 AM

Welcome to the Helms area of Sailnet. I'm not aware of any hatches at the moment. I sent you a private message with some info.

Wayne25 11-12-2010 08:02 AM

I bought some hatches off a Helms 25 a while back. You need the most forward small one, correct. I'll check Sunday, but I think I have it. Do you need the original hinges?


JJBriggs 03-28-2011 10:35 PM

Hello, I am in search of some information regarding a possible purchase of a Helms 25. From my research the Helms 25 has a swing keel- are there any exceptions to this? The current owner swears it doesn't have one but hasn't hauled the boat himself to see.

I can dive the boat to take a quick look but is there any other way to verify the existence of a swing keel. My concern is trailerablity in the future as I am an active duty military member and have to always keep that in the back of my mind.

Thank you for any help.
John Briggs, Pensacola FL

Wayne25 03-29-2011 08:23 AM

The Helms 25 has 1650# of fixed ballast in a short fixed keel with a 300# steel centerboard. The centerboard swings up into the fixed keel. With the centerboard up the draft is 20". With the centerboard down the draft is 6'. However, you don't need to sail with the centerboard fully extended. Lowere it just enough to balance the weatherhelm.

I hope this helps.


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