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Helms 25 Running Rigging Info

Hi there! This is my first post. I am in the process of restoring (at least getting serviceable/presentable) a old Helms 25 that I kind of inherited. It needs quite a bit of work and I am slowing working through the list.

I was wondering if any of you Helms 25 owners would mind sharing the specs for all of your running rigging. Pretty much everything needs to be replaced except for the wire portions of the halyards (at least not yet).

I'm also about to attempt to refinish/rebuild by rudder and tiller assembly, but I will do some searching on this and other forums before asking.

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Welcome JT. What kind of specs are you looking for. I run 3/8 line for my jib & main sheets and also for my line sections of the halyards. You could probably go less diameter with some of the high tech lines out there, but I don't like the feel of anything less than 3/8.
What other information can I give you?

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Hi Wayne thanks for the reply!

I was also looking for the lengths of those lines as well so I can estimate the costs to replace everything. Currently nothing on my Helms is run back to the cockpit, but if its not too difficult to convert or expensive then I would like to make that bit easier on myself as well.

Also what are the specs for your main sheet, jib sheets, and boom vang?

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Try these, they're for another 25' boat. Running rigging is more of a personal preference. I'd follow the lengths pretty closely though.


................ LENGTH DIAMETER STYLE COLOR
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TRAVELER 25 3/8 TROPHY SOLID BLUE

JIBSHEET (2) 40 7/16 ULS WHITE WITH BLUE STRIPES

CUNNINGHAM 20 1/4 YACHT BRAID BLUE LONGITUDINAL STRIPES

CUNNINGHAM 5 5/16 YACHT BRAID BLUE LONGITUDINAL STRIPES

DOCK LINES (2) 25 3/8 NYLON GOLD GOLD 3-STRAND

REEF LINE 22 3/8 LST WHITE WITH RED STRIPES

REEF LINE 22 3/8 LST WHITE WITH BLUE STRIPES

TOPPING LIFT 48 5/16 LST WHITE WITH RED STRIPES

JIB HALYARD 78 5/16 YALE MAXI WHITE WITH RED/BLUE STRIPES

VANG** 50 5/16 YACHT BRAID WHITE WITH LIGHT BLUE FLECKS

FOREGUY 55 1/4 YACHT BRAID RED LONGITUDINAL STRIPES

TWINGS (2)* 13 5/16 TROPHY SOLID BLUE

SPINN. HALYARD* 78 5/16 YALE LIGHT SOLID LIGHT BLUE

MAIN HALYARD 90 1/4 YALE LIGHT YELLOW

HEAVY SPINN.
SHEETS (2)* 55 3/8 TROPHY SOLID RED

LIGHT SPINN.
SHEETS (2)* 52 3/16 TROPHY SOLID RED

TOWLINE* 60 3/8 NYLON GOLD GOLD 3-STRAND

MAINSHEET* 80 7/16 YACHT BRAID BLUE LONGITUDINAL STRIPES

BACKSTAY** 50 3/8 TROPHY SOLID BLACK

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Thanks for the great info ZZ!

Wayne, did you convert your Helms 25 to all rope? Did you have to replace your sheaves?

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No, I still have half wire and half Dacron line. This works well for me and I don't plan on changing it since i don't plan to run all lines to the cockpit. I'm fine with going to the mast.
I'm not too sure there is enough room in our masthead for all rope sheaves. Its pretty tight inside that masthead. You'll have to measure it carefully.

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No, I still have half wire and half Dacron line. This works well for me and I don't plan on changing it since i don't plan to run all lines to the cockpit.
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I think I will plan on doing this as well. It is quite a bit cheaper too.

I priced the hardware necessary to run 4 lines to the rear and it was $400 for the fairleads, deck organizers, and rope clutches.

Do you have wire to rope splices? If not what are you using?

Thinking about going with the following:
Any Thoughts???

jib halyard
40' 5/16"

mailsail halyard
40' 5/16"

jib sheet
65' 3/8"

main sheet (4:1)
50' 3/8"

boom vang (4:1)
25' 5/16"

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I also run all rope halyards 5/16". I just don't do wire to rope well...You may think of buying a spool of 5/16 Sampson or something like that and learn to do the double braid splice, making your own halyards..big savings.

If there isn't a recent book written about the cost of a free boat there should be. I applaud your intent to revive an old boat like the Helms 25. I have fiddled or fooled with every part of my Helms of course spending more time than necessary. Please let me know if I can help. David #504 Chimera
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d3:
It looks like you got your answer about all rope halyards, at least for 5/16 sheaves.
No wire to rope splices for me. Mine has a SS thimble using a nicro press. I have the rope halyard tied to the thimble, but plan to change it to a braid /braid splice around the thimble.

Take Jumaggafanny up on his offer for advise. He has done some amazing things to his Helms 25 with excellent picture documentation.

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SS thimble using a nico press

So you are just tying (bowline or similar) your line to a thimble that looks like this on the wire side?


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Take Jumaggafanny up on his offer for advise. He has done some amazing things to his Helms 25 with excellent picture documentation.
OK cool I'll look for some of his other posts.

Thanks guys you have helped me out quite a bit!!!

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