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deltaten 10-16-2012 02:06 PM

Helms 24 vs 25???
Still looking for a boat; but have it narrowed down to (probably) a Helms 24. Having seen a few 25s and lotsa comments/reviews, I was wondering what were the major diffs; other than the obvious foot in length.

Helms seems to be the only small cruiser that has decent head room. The PS Dana is waaaay out of my price range. Looking forward to weekending (and longer) on the Chessie and would appreciate the space :D

Anyone care to offer a comparison?


Wayne25 10-18-2012 11:43 AM

Re: Helms 24 vs 25???
The 24 - Fixed keel, good head room, spacious for it's size, quick in its day.

The 25 - Centerboard and fixed ballast, good head room only if you get the Pop-up model and use it while anchored.

Both are great boats but have very different characteristics. You need to pick the one that best fits your sailing style and the waters you sail.

Hope this Helps.

deltaten 10-18-2012 12:54 PM

Re: Helms 24 vs 25???
Hi Wayne;
I see yer used to short-water sailing; being on the opposite side of the peninsula and all :D. I plan to be day/weekend+ pottering around on the N. end of the Chessie. Once better acclimated to the area and sailing bigger in general; I'd like (eventually) to be able to make passage to the S. end of the Bay... and back! ;) While not a complete noob to the water and sails; it'll still be a rather huge leap to a 24-25 footer. I plan to go slow and close until I'm better educated and used to it.

Looking at the specs on both, the 24 lists 4.17' and the 24 SD (shoal draft?!) lists 3' vs the 25 at 4'/1.67' (max/min). Three foot draft on the 24SD is not what I'd call shoal-draft; whereas the 1.67' up-board draft on yer 25 *IS* ! Looks like the same mast/sailplan with the 25 being a couple hundred pounds LESS in ballast and disp.; probably from drop-keel design??

That being settled....what's the nominal head-room on yers? I'm finding it troublesome to use dividers to step off dimensions of downloaded dwgs of the two..and get decent measurements. Where, do you estimate, are the single foot differences between the 24 and 25? Cockpit? Cabin? Forepeak? Or just in general, spread out over the entire length?.

I suppose I oughta find one of each within reach and take a look in person.


wkupersa 10-18-2012 11:12 PM

Re: Helms 24 vs 25???

I have a 25 in Arnold, MD if you want to see it at some point.

S/V Dhyana

deltaten 10-19-2012 10:47 AM

Re: Helms 24 vs 25???
Thanks much for the offer Willie. I s'pose a PM would take care of details.?

Wayne25 10-20-2012 10:04 AM

Re: Helms 24 vs 25???
Paul - The Helms 25 has a 5'-1" head room if you do not have the Pop-up model.
I would recommend that it's time to take a look and sail both boats to find out which you like best. The specs are one thing but there are a lot of other things and feelings you will gain from being on the boats that will make your decision for you.
Good luck.

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