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post #41 of 97 Old 01-12-2010
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hmmmmmm, ALL the folks at my YC at captains, altho I do not use that term, prefer the skipper part! "Admirals" are typically the way better half, ie female spouse. Typically in the roster the captain is the male, 1st mate female..........a few like myself, she is listed as captain, I'm 1st mate, but the wemi true joke is, she is the admiral, I'm the cabin boy............

well any way.....its too early here on the left coast for this nonsenseacle something or other!

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If the Coast Guard boards your boat, one of the first questions they'll ask is "Who is the Captain?" In asking that question, they are not trying to determine who knows the most about seamanship. They want to know who is in command of the boat, because, if they are going to cite anyone for a violation, that's the person who is going to get the ticket, even if he is the least skilled person aboard.
This illustrates the difference, within itself, that there is certainly a difference between the position one may hold (eg boatswain, helmsman, planesman, quartermaster, messenger, etc) and the title one might apprpriatelly place on his/her business card (eg Esq, Capt, Dr).

"Even if he is the least skilled person aboard" certainly points to the fact that the Coast Guard does not grant the title of Captain to every individiual they attempt to identify as the captain of the vessel they have boarded.

The position of captain and the title of Captain are too different things. I might be captain of this yacht. I am not, however, Captain Matt. If anything I'd be Matt, Captain.

While we're definining the word ... captain is not defined as the commander of _any_ vessel. Captain is defined as the commander of a merchant vessel. There are other definitions but that is the one relating it to command of a ship/boat. No, the dictionary doesn't even grant the title to a yachtsman.

You might be the captain but unless you have been commissioned as such you are certainly not a Captain, or "Captain Umptysquat". Holding the position does not grant the title.
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I've always preferred the term "Skipper", especially when heading out on a "three-hour tour".

However, we might note that the COLREGS and Inland Rules don't mention "Captain" or "Skipper", and use the term "Master" only once (w/o definition). Also, as I recall, a Merchant Mariners License specifically allows one to "Master" a vessel of x-tonnage.


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Word Origin & History

captain
1375, "one who stands at the head of others," from O.Fr. capitaine, from L.L. capitaneus "chief," n. use of adj. capitaneus "prominent, chief," from L. caput (gen. capitis) "head" (see head).


So, apparently, the "Captain" is simply the "leader" of the folks on the boat, the person nominally in charge, etc. As in Whitman's "O Captain My Captain".

Of course, that doesn't mean that the person holding the "real power" isn't the "Admiral," or "She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed."

It's in the lazerette?
Oh, never mind...
I didn't REALLY need it anyway.
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I may as well jump in

I think that the "rank" of "Captain" is sometimes getting confused with the "position" of "Captain" and that there is no disrespect meant to those who hold the "Rank" of "Captain" when one calls someone who commands a vessel "Captain". After all, there are 'Captains " in all kinds of endeavors whether it be sports (captain of the team) or even in resteuarnts where there may be a captain of waiters/waitresses. One can be the "Captain" of the debate club or of a spelling bee. And as pointed out, Captain has differing legal meaning as when the person in charge of a vessel is the "Captain" but also where a person might be a legally, qualified(licensed) "Captain"
That being said, I think it is just a matter of personal respect and custom to address the commander of the vessel as 'Captain" irrespective of sex, rank, or license. and anyone who looses sleep over it or refuses to join a yacht club, or whatever, is being a bit thin skinned, and petty and may even be missing out on some good company and fun. I'd like to add that this dosn't mean I don't understand where they are coming from, but that I think that viewpoint is just a bit narrow. Anyway, I think skipper works just fine for me . Now about this calling girlfriends and spouses "Admiral".... Rick
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a Merchant Mariners License specifically allows one to "Master" a vessel of x-tonnage.
I am curious, what is the "title" in your pleasure boat licence? And it allows you to do what?
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I am curious, what is the "title" in your pleasure boat licence? And it allows you to do what?
I have never received any sort of license from the Coast Guard. The only piece of paper I have with which any sort of title is associated allows me to be called Dr. Eddie (as in PhuDdy-duddy).

Hey, wait a minute. I also have a Masters Degree in Marine Biology (and Limnology). Does that make me a "Marine Master"?

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I didn't REALLY need it anyway.
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I have never received any sort of license from the Coast Guard. The only piece of paper I have with which any sort of title is associated allows me to be called Dr. Eddie (as in PhuDdy-duddy).

Hey, wait a minute. I also have a Masters Degree in Marine Biology (and Limnology). Does that make me a "Marine Master"?


Ok, it seems that in the States you can pick any boat any size and if it is a non commercial boat you can sail it anywhere, without any sort of restriction. IT is like this?

In the majority of the EC countries you need a license. You can get a basic one for an small open boat, near shore...and you are a sailor, or you can upgrade to different levels till you get your unrestricted license...and you are an Ocean skipper.
For each one you have a course that varies in time and complexity, accordingly with the license and have always to pass a theoretical and a practical proof.

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PCP,

You are correct in that here in the states, we do NOT have a licensing setup as you described. "SOME" of the states have a really basic license. Washington, ie not DC, where I am has an online 25 question test to show you at least have read some rules of the road equal type ability for boats over 14' or 25hp or some such thing. Canoes/kayaks over 14' are not included.

Some will say we should not have licenses as you have in EU - please note assuming you are in Europe from you comments. I'm on the fence to feel that boating should have a "license" of some sort. But now you are into the what one says vs another. I do not feel the one I have to have is really worth the effort to do. Then again, not sure that one as comprehensive is needed. Then again, if i went thru the course(s) for the EU setup, I might have a different feeling.

Now to a degree, with some apologies to Denise, we have probably gone way off the "what" she was commenting on in the first place.

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Nah! Marty. I knew on making the thread that it would hit buttons. I love discussions. The recent bait for a name calling argument has been identified and ignored.

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dear Capt. Denise,

Oh dear, I have been wondering about getting into this! After 15 years of "skippering" my own boats in the Caribbean and across the Atlantic being called Captain was something I had to accept clearing in and out of customs. Having grown up in England it was a bit embarrassing to be referred to as Captain. A friend I crossed the Atlantic with twice usually referred to me as Skipper, it was just so much easier that way!

The funniest experience was coming into Cruz Bay in the USVI one day. My male crew was standing next to me feeling lost and I was in line to speak to the young and inexperienced new customs officer. He immediately started addressing my crew as Captain. The large and extremely fierce female immigration officer fixed him with a glare and said "SHE'S THE CAPTAIN!!!!!!" I kept my grin to myself as I was pretty afraid of her too!

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