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Honesty

Honestly, Jim was just BS-ing you

You Da Man, Jim!

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Jim! you get her to give you a big hug and kiss! You Da Man!
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Denise, i got no problem calling you capt. It's really very very simple- if it's YOUR boat, then YOU are the captain.
But, I ain't gonna call you womyn. what is the plural of womyn, anyway? I never thought "woman" or "women" was derogatory or in any way shape or form signified implied inferiority. On the other hand, addressing any female over the age of 18 as "girl" is just plain wrong.
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I used to call my wife Admiral. Now that she has her US Coast Guard Master's license, I just call Captain or Cap for short.

Hey Cap get me a beer, gets the same results as it did when I would say, Hey honey get me a beer!!


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Urban Dictionary: womyn

womyn

A variation of the word "woman". The word is used mainly by feminists who find it offensive to have the word "man" in “woman”. Let's leave it to T-Rex to wash away the ignorance:
THE ETYMOLOGY OF THE WORD "WOMAN"

T-Rex: Many people believe "woman" is a sexist term, due to its apparent base in the word "man"! This has led to crazy alternative spellings like "womyn" and even "wimmen". However, this is not the case! The word originally derives from the old English "wifmann", where "wif" ment "female" and "mann" meant a person of either sex: thus, a female human!
Dromiceiomimus: Man didn't mean male?
T-Rex: Nope! It derives from the Latin "humanus" (earthling), from "humus" (earth, soil)!
Utahraptor: And while "wif" meant female, "wer" mean male!
T-Rex: Exactly! We can still see this today in words like "werewolf", which means, literally, a manwolf.
Utahraptor: So "werewolf" is actually a more sexist word than "woman"!
T-Rex: According to me: yes! This is why I spell the word "wheirwolf", and why I ask that you do the same! You wouldn't want to be SEXIST, would you?


DO30 really isn't an angry feminist (anymore) but every now and then something hits a nerve!

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Most often other sailors assume I'm the skipper.
People sometimes call me Skipper & I have to tell them I'm not Barbies best friend.
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This came up for discussion last weekend. My boat broker and fellow yacht club member is a woman, married to a guy I've known for 30 years. She is an accomplished sailor with many racing victories to her credit.

As a boat broker, she takes buyers on sea trials in all kinds of boats, power and sail. Normally, if another broker brings her a buyer for a boat she is listing, the buyers broker takes the boat on the sea trial. The selling broker will do it if asked, BUT gets an extra piece of the commission for the trouble.

When she takes a buyer to a sea trial of a boat that she isn't listing, she has found that almost all the time, the listing broker (male of course) will come along on the sea trial with her without asking for that extra piece of the commission. The issue is clear, the male brokers don't think that she, as a woman, can handle the boat by herself.

While she shrugs it off, I can tell that is beginning to really annoy her. If she takes a buyer on a sea trial, the listing broker goes along. If a male broker in her office does the same, the listing broker doesn't go along.

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Never overlook the obvious

True, maybe the fact that she is a woman, is the reason they come along. But maybe it has nothing to do with her ability to handle the boat.

Could have more to do with hormones than sexism. Maybe she lacks confidence in her abilities? Who knows?




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This came up for discussion last weekend. My boat broker and fellow yacht club member is a woman, married to a guy I've known for 30 years. She is an accomplished sailor with many racing victories to her credit.

As a boat broker, she takes buyers on sea trials in all kinds of boats, power and sail. Normally, if another broker brings her a buyer for a boat she is listing, the buyers broker takes the boat on the sea trial. The selling broker will do it if asked, BUT gets an extra piece of the commission for the trouble.

When she takes a buyer to a sea trial of a boat that she isn't listing, she has found that almost all the time, the listing broker (male of course) will come along on the sea trial with her without asking for that extra piece of the commission. The issue is clear, the male brokers don't think that she, as a woman, can handle the boat by herself.

While she shrugs it off, I can tell that is beginning to really annoy her. If she takes a buyer on a sea trial, the listing broker goes along. If a male broker in her office does the same, the listing broker doesn't go along.
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Me I just hate titles. One of the reasons I sail by myself or with just a very small crew is to keep away from all that bs. If I ever was on a boat where the skipper expected to be called Captain I'd be off at the first opportunity. A large ship, different story I realise but then again I know I would not have been a success in the military.

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Dhays, you hit the topic of this whole thread right on, with your input..thank you!

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Who knows?

Dhays may be in fact correct. I certainly don't know the details myself but wouldn't her experience be known to the other brokers? Is it possible that she is feeling like a victim of sexism?

Come to think of it, there are a lot of opinionated, chauvinistic asses around here, he may be right.

It's a shame that we jump to conclusions but we do base our opinions on our experiences or at least our perceived experiences.

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Dhays, you hit the topic of this whole thread right on, with your input..thank you!
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