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We are here to discuss sailing. There is no need to segregate mechanics in the Gear and Maintenance forum, instructors in Learn to Sail, or Jeanneau owners in the Jeanneau forum.
The Sailnet built-in search feature is crap. It is helpful to me at least to have the categories so it's less time consuming to find my interest du jour. All of the subjects in one long, in-line list of postings would be a nightmare.


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I see no reason to segregate male and female either.
It's kind of not segregation in the pure sense if you have a choice. The women don't have to only post in herSailnet. That said, while I'm comfortable posting in the non-female-centric area, I don't think that all women are. The forum certainly can't provide space to accommodate all personality types, but I recognize that there are women out there who may be entering this sport alone, with no support from family or friends and who may be pushing their personal envelopes to not only do that but to ask questions of perfect strangers. Should we discourage their personal growth by saying if you can't stand the wind get off the deck? I hope not. I've done things in which I've stretched my personal boundaries so I know what it feels like. Sure, the people (women and men) who can't get past the fact that in most cases the gruff responses are sometimes made without regard to gender and aren't meant as an attack against their person but against their approach or theory may drop out, but then there are those who will begin to reach inside themselves and develop their own way of dealing with such responses. They will hopefully come to realize that in life, on these forums, and on their boat when they get there, part of learning and growing and reaching a goal is dealing with obstacles (human and otherwise) and figuring out a way to learn from those obstacles and turn that knowledge into something that moves you forward.

This is what I love about sailing. It's more than just learning how to use the wind and current and all the rest to move a boat from point A to point B. If one is open to it, it's also about opening up one's own mental horizons beyond your expectations.
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The Sailnet built-in search feature is crap. It is helpful to me at least to have the categories so it's less time consuming to find my interest du jour. All of the subjects in one long, in-line list of postings would be a nightmare.
I wasn't clear enough. I wasnt asvocating the elimination of descrete forums. I meant we shouldn't limit participation in Gear and Mantenance to only mechanics any more than having a forum off limits to anyone other than a specific gender.


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It's kind of not segregation in the pure sense if you have a choice. The women don't have to only post in herSailnet. That said, while I'm comfortable posting in the non-female-centric area, I don't think that all women are. The forum certainly can't provide space to accommodate all personality types, but I recognize that there are women out there who may be entering this sport alone, with no support from family or friends and who may be pushing their personal envelopes to not only do that but to ask questions of perfect strangers. Should we discourage their personal growth by saying if you can't stand the wind get off the deck? I hope not. I've done things in which I've stretched my personal boundaries so I know what it feels like. Sure, the people (women and men) who can't get past the fact that in most cases the gruff responses are sometimes made without regard to gender and aren't meant as an attack against their person but against their approach or theory may drop out, but then there are those who will begin to reach inside themselves and develop their own way of dealing with such responses. They will hopefully come to realize that in life, on these forums, and on their boat when they get there, part of learning and growing and reaching a goal is dealing with obstacles (human and otherwise) and figuring out a way to learn from those obstacles and turn that knowledge into something that moves you forward.

This is what I love about sailing. It's more than just learning how to use the wind and current and all the rest to move a boat from point A to point B. If one is open to it, it's also about opening up one's own mental horizons beyond your expectations.
It's not segregation if we can all post wherever we choose, that's all I'm advocating. We can and do have female only clubs. But then, male only clubs must be embraced as well.
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Sailors come in many shapes, sizes, sex, sexual preferences, colors and religions. There is nothing in my genes makes me a better or worse sailor than a woman or even the next man. If having a womens sailing forum, womans sailing club invites more women to sail I am for it. If my wife or any other woman chose to belong or go to an all woman sailing school to learn more offshore sailing techniques I would encourage her as that is what she feel comfortable with, however she does not feel that way.

The ONLY reason I got involved in the post was the rant a poster took which painted men with a BROAD brush and generalized about them in a condescending way. In life I tend to object to painting any person, group, religion. color, sex or sexual preference with a broad brush so seeing it here it was a natural reaction for me to object.

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"I don't post much because it upsets me to have my posts picked apart, taken out of context and criticised by people who can't even spell." Or even, "I guess you're right, I don't post much. Frankly, I think that a lot of the more-prolific posters are blowhards and I don't want people to think of me that way."
Well I am a notoriuos bad typist who cannot spell which by the number of my prolific posts I must be a blowhard also.

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Many men tend to be dismissive of our opinions, observations, and insights. Also I have noticed that men tend to think their way is the right way, even though there can be multiple strategies for solving a problem.

Men to want to control discourse through overstated opinion, often not backed by fact or reason. We women tend to back away from confrontation.

Also one must remember that males want dominance; females want consensus. Being dismissive, rude, and condescending is just another strategy to gain an advantage. We must understand this weakness in men and cut them some slack.
With all due respect to the poster, I will continue to be inclusive and help as many othe SN as I can. I also love organizing and attending get togethers of Sailnetters as well as use the forum to LEARN from others of all sexes, colors etc and also share the small experiences I have had in my 40 years of inshore and offshore sailing. Camradiere is one of the greatest parts of the Sailnet experience. Painting a whole sex with a broad brush of negative generalization does nothing to enhance that experience.

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Well I am a notoriuos bad typist who cannot spell which by the number of my prolific posts I must be a blowhard also.
We've been meaning to talk to you about your grammar.

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We can and do have female only clubs. But then, male only clubs must be embraced as well.
One of the chat room regulars didn't speak to me for two weeks when he discovered (after chatting with me all summer) that I am female. Does that mean I can participate in both clubs?
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One of the chat room regulars didn't speak to me for two weeks when he discovered (after chatting with me all summer) that I am female. Does that mean I can participate in both clubs?
Are you serious? Lame.
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...The Battle of the Sexes has gone on as long as there have been two genders. We won't solve the problem here, ...
Ah... No, you won't, here or elsewhere. There is too much Fraternizing with the Enemy!
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Does that mean I can participate in both clubs?
Only if there's pictures or video.
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