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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

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This isn't about hither women can do in a boat what men can do, but whether they are held back from doing so by a boys club mentality which I do not think is too bad in sailing compared to maybe some other things.
Not all sexism is of the degree of holding women back from doing things they'd like to do. The only sexism I've experienced in sailing, as described in my earlier posts, rates as "irritant", not "major impediment" but it's still sexism in the sense of treating males and females differently on the basis of gender.

In my opinion, its not correct to say that "any woman who wants it badly enough can overcome and find ways to become a sailor" = "there is no sexism in the field of sailing".

In my personal experience, but bearing in mind that I don't speak for the entire sisterhood and that I get to decide who steps on my boat, it is true that it's not too bad in sailing compared to many many other things.

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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

i think that 2 males walking into a propeller shop in lost angeles would have difficulty in talking the price down to less than half retail while wearing bathing suits and gulping the beer of the workers and wandering around the area....we did...395usd down to 125usd....sexism????? mebbe....

male obstructing education of female learning or trying to learn navigation techniques--yes it happens,,i know that one well...lol

kids of both genders learning to sail with unbiased teacher---none there----

it all depends on what you are doing and where you are dong it and how and in what manner sexism is used--

can be fun to gain parts for much less......
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rolling on DECK laughing my ass off??? i dont have floors..i am on board 24/7/365....rodlmao.
That's pretty cute, I like it. I really had no idea what you meant. Sort of defeats the purpose of a shortcut though.

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my boat may have only a 30 something foot waterl;ine but overall is just under 50 ft....bowsprit is only 7 ft overhang...lod is 40.9 ft. huge room inside and decent sailing ability -- is a perfect cruiser.
you shoul d do beter research on formosa/ct/hardin seawolf 41s....roDlmao.
Since my understanding of the LWL seem right, I don't think I needed much more research. The point is, how comparable is your 41ft to the typical 41. I think to be fair, given it's various overhangs, it really is more comparable to most sub 40s. That was my only point.

I dig the look of your boat, nevertheless.
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Not all sexism is of the degree of holding women back from doing things they'd like to do. The only sexism I've experienced in sailing, as described in my earlier posts, rates as "irritant", not "major impediment" but it's still sexism in the sense of treating males and females differently on the basis of gender.

In my opinion, its not correct to say that "any woman who wants it badly enough can overcome and find ways to become a sailor" = "there is no sexism in the field of sailing".

In my personal experience, but bearing in mind that I don't speak for the entire sisterhood and that I get to decide who steps on my boat, it is true that it's not too bad in sailing compared to many many other things.

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The issues in this thread keep bringing me back to what I believe are some of the inherent difference between men and women. Although there are probably many stereotypical male attributes I don't consider a woman's reference to them, even the negative ones as sexist. Im Ok with the stereotypes, negative and positive. For example, the stereotypical man's reluctance to ask for help with directions to me is not a negative. It's an indication of tenacity and independence.

I don't think most men would even acknowledge male sexism. From a males perspective to acknowledge obstacles is counterproductive. It provides an excuse for failure. If you ignore them they are diminished. It's better from a performance standpoint to pretend obstacles don't exist. When you are sick before a big game you ignore it. It doesn't really matter in sports but in real life it can matter.

The difference between men and women are a good thing. I'm definitely not for women becoming more like men and women more like men.
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That's pretty cute, I like it. I really had no idea what you meant. Sort of defeats the purpose of a shortcut though.



Since my understanding of the LWL seem right, I don't think I needed much more research. The point is, how comparable is your 41ft to the typical 41. I think to be fair, given it's various overhangs, it really is more comparable to most sub 40s. That was my only point.

I dig the look of your boat, nevertheless.

my boat has a lot more under watwr than many today have---is 6'6 deep with a 2 ft wide base of keel, keel is full and deep...must be able to sail decently to drag allt hat stuf theu the water at a decent speed.....
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That's pretty cute, I like it. I really had no idea what you meant. Sort of defeats the purpose of a shortcut though.



Since my understanding of the LWL seem right, I don't think I needed much more research. The point is, how comparable is your 41ft to the typical 41. I think to be fair, given it's various overhangs, it really is more comparable to most sub 40s. That was my only point.

I dig the look of your boat, nevertheless.

my boat has a lot more under water than many today have---is 6'6 deep and ft wide at base, the keel is full and deep...must be able to sail decently to drag all hat stuf thru the water at a decent speed.....
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From a males perspective to acknowledge obstacles is counterproductive. It provides an excuse for failure. If you ignore them they are diminished.
From this (female) engineer's perspective, acknowledging obstacles (defining the problem) is not always but often the first step in charting a course around them (defining the solution). It's a view that seems to be shared by male colleagues. Depends how big the obstacle is, of course.

A few men I know see male sexism. One colleague is very sensitive to double standards where women appear to get away with behaviour and speech that is not OK from men. Another didn't think sexism was a big deal until he found himself excluded from freelance work for a particular customer because they preferred females. I think he was surprised at his own reaction.

On the other hand ... I asked spouse the other night whether he felt offended by a current beer ad on TV that seems to paint men as bumbling idiots. His response was that he didn't think the ad was aimed at all men, just bumbling idiot beer drinkers.
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On the other hand ... I asked spouse the other night whether he felt offended by a current beer ad on TV that seems to paint men as bumbling idiots. His response was that he didn't think the ad was aimed at all men, just bumbling idiot beer drinkers.
Those aren't as bad as the "my husband is an idiot" advertisements designed to sell things to women, they all seem to have the same scriipt writer ...

Husband doing something stupid
Smiling wife waves around new product husband has never heard of
Wife saves the day
Husband does one last stupid thing
Wife shrugs her shoulders, tilts her head, and smiles into the camera with that "we all know my husband is a moron, but it's our little secret" look on her face.

I think part of the reason for the male sexism commercials is that there's just nobody left that writers can make fun of without being accused of "ism". They know that husbands aren't going to complain.

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From this (female) engineer's perspective, acknowledging obstacles (defining the problem) is not always but often the first step in charting a course around them (defining the solution). It's a view that seems to be shared by male colleagues. Depends how big the obstacle is, of course.

A few men I know see male sexism. One colleague is very sensitive to double standards where women appear to get away with behaviour and speech that is not OK from men. Another didn't think sexism was a big deal until he found himself excluded from freelance work for a particular customer because they preferred females. I think he was surprised at his own reaction.

On the other hand ... I asked spouse the other night whether he felt offended by a current beer ad on TV that seems to paint men as bumbling idiots. His response was that he didn't think the ad was aimed at all men, just bumbling idiot beer drinkers.

As far as obsticals I'm referring more to physical ones, sick, injured, tired, cold, etc. not technical issues necessarily. In a work invironment I'm robably referring more to attitude, such as when facing a nearly impossible task but approaching it as if it was doable. Using a sports analogy it would be playing as hard as possible to the last second in spite of being down 50 to zip.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

linked in--i would call it more like cpr---you go and do it and succeed --or fail....but ye dont give up or quit.

that isnt sexist--is commonsensist...lol

is a grande thing that sailing is sexist--we ladies can don skimpies and go buy parts in some places--ie, specialty places, like propellers shops, for less than half brand new price....lol....is a GOOD thing...
also, for opening csx railroad bridges--a soft sexy lady voice produces results whereas a man voice yields delay. i learned that in louisiana.....lol


so, ladies--donot diss sexism--it works in our favor more often than not.....rodlmao
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