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In my experience if the wife sees the husand getting all flustered and yelling the wife assumes he has no clue what the f@@@ he is doing and gets nervous.

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All this talk about yelling and screaming. I thought sailing was supposed to be fun, relaxing and enjoyable.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

It is for me.Not for everyone. We have all seen the clueless guy screaming at the bewildered wife and kids while he bangs off of 5 different boats and 7 pilings trying to get into a slip.

My wife likes to nap underway so I have perfected the art of low volume boat operations If I am really good I am tied up or anchored and everyone is still asleep. We sometimes like 0400 departures so we can be in our next port by noon if the weather is going to be roasting hot.

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I think a HUGE part of this is generational and location. My wife and I learned together, separate classes because that is good "best practice" in education. Never take a class with your SO, no mater what the relationship. It allows for different experiences and you can then come back and share and learn even more. We have both insisted on trading all tasks so that we are both comfortable with them all. We can't even imagine "pink and blue" jobs around the boat (or house). It would be insulting (to most men and women) to suggest there is such a thing in our generation and location.

Living in rougher country, such as remote Alaska, usually flattens the differences between people. When it is -50F and your heater just went out, you don't really care who comes to your assistance. When I go south to larger cities, the gender roll differences REALLY stand out. This may have to do with the unrelenting barrage of media in the bigger markets.

On the "takeover for the gal" front, my wife sees this still on occasion and always points it out to me when it happens. It ALWAYS happens with the older, usually retired, male who is unable to even comprehend that a girl would want to do boy things. When working with guys our age, this never seems to come up. But then my wife is 6' tall, ex raft guide, and is physically in better shape than most men. I wouldn't try and takeover a task from her either.

On the women only classes, don't assume that all women find that to be the best route. My wife cannot understand why someone would want to learn in a segregated environment and just the add in Sailing Mag bothers her. So to say that women learn better from women as a truism. Not all women agree. Nor do all men want male instructors. Again, not always true. We tend to want the most qualified instructor that is able to teach to our learning styles, vs the one with matching genitalia.

Sorry for the long response but I just had to say that I am so glad that most of what I hear in this thread is really out of date. In other sports these attitudes died a while back on both sides of the argument. Sailing is just a bit stuck in time it seems to me compared to other activities.

Having said that; my daughter was told yesterday in kindergarden that Batman was for boys and why did she have a Batman lunchbox (her pick not ours). So these attitudes of pink and blue are still out there. We just have to do our best to make sure she understands that it is her choice to ignore those that will limit her future. Sometimes I am scared that we "miss" the old ways as a society and are trying to push people back into the rolls that were blurred in the 70-90s. I hope not.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

Living in rougher country, such as remote Alaska, usually flattens the differences between people. When it is -50F and your heater just went out, you don't really care who comes to your assistance......my wife is 6' tall, ex raft guide, and is physically in better shape than most men. I wouldn't try and takeover a task from her either. -AlaskaMC

Sorry, but that just doesn't help the rest of us who aren't married to Deep Woods Barbie.
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Living in rougher country, such as remote Alaska, usually flattens the differences between people. When it is -50F and your heater just went out, you don't really care who comes to your assistance......my wife is 6' tall, ex raft guide, and is physically in better shape than most men. I wouldn't try and takeover a task from her either. -AlaskaMC

Sorry, but that just doesn't help the rest of us who aren't married to Deep Woods Barbie.
I am a very lucky man, I won't argue with that

But Deep Woods Barbie, while very funny, isn't that kinda sexist too? This stuff is just confusing. I think I am going to go sailing, see if my wife will run the tiller while I grind. Does that make me less manly?
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On the women only classes, don't assume that all women find that to be the best route. My wife cannot understand why someone would want to learn in a segregated environment and just the add in Sailing Mag bothers her. So to say that women learn better from women as a truism. Not all women agree. Nor do all men want male instructors. Again, not always true. We tend to want the most qualified instructor that is able to teach to our learning styles, vs the one with matching genitalia.
No one said that ALL women want to learn in women-only classes. I would guess, however, that those who do are the ones who sign up for them. Speaking for myself, I was just presenting an argument for their existence. It wasn't something I even considered when I took instruction in: white water kayaking, scuba (to rescue diver), sailing, and any of the other interests I had, I just did it. But, as an instructor, I just want people to learn. However that happens is a good thing. If being in a single-gender class enables them to learn the rules of the road, who cares and what right does anyone else have to judge them for it?

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Having said that; my daughter was told yesterday in kindergarden that Batman was for boys and why did she have a Batman lunchbox (her pick not ours). ...
I'm 46. I still have the Yellow Submarine lunchbox I carried in elementary school. Someone told me it's worth about $300 now. And I couldn't stand Barbie. Mom used to buy them for me and I'd chuck them out the car window onto the train tracks. Now, my lime green Tonka truck that matched my lime green Easy Bake Oven, loved 'em.
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No one said that ALL women want to learn in women-only classes. I would guess, however, that those who do are the ones who sign up for them. Speaking for myself, I was just presenting an argument for their existence. It wasn't something I even considered when I took instruction in: white water kayaking, scuba (to rescue diver), sailing, and any of the other interests I had, I just did it. But, as an instructor, I just want people to learn. However that happens is a good thing. If being in a single-gender class enables them to learn the rules of the road, who cares and what right does anyone else have to judge them for it?



I'm 46. I still have the Yellow Submarine lunchbox I carried in elementary school. Someone told me it's worth about $300 now. And I couldn't stand Barbie. Mom used to buy them for me and I'd chuck them out the car window onto the train tracks. Now, my lime green Tonka truck that matched my lime green Easy Bake Oven, loved 'em.
I was just pointing out that there is more than one opinion on women only classes from the women themselves. Some of the commentary earlier in the thread was very harsh on this point. Not your comments by the way.

My girl is more of a mix of both, She likes to wear a princess dress, mudd boots and go fishing. That Yellow Sub lunchbox is a treasure!
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I hope to become a confident sailor! Glad to hear there are many women out there being strong! I just purchased a tartan 37 with my guy & hope we're equals out on the water! It's a beautiful world out there if we can just get along!
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Having said that; my daughter was told yesterday in kindergarden that Batman was for boys and why did she have a Batman lunchbox (her pick not ours). So these attitudes of pink and blue are still out there. We just have to do our best to make sure she understands that it is her choice to ignore those that will limit her future. Sometimes I am scared that we "miss" the old ways as a society and are trying to push people back into the rolls that were blurred in the 70-90s. I hope not.

Well he did spend an inordinate amount of time hanging out with sweet wee Robin.

btw ... did you know that up until the Victorian era pink was for boys and blue for girls ? Strange tale but true. No wonder people get confused about their sexuality.

Interestingly enough while me and the Wombet have been known to exchange the odd cross word, and nothing cryptic about that at all, when we have attended classes together we have had zero problems, indeed we become a very effective team.

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