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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

Sailing exists within the context of the larger society. Like it or not, gender is a factor that sometimes steers us towards or discourages us from participating in certain activities.

For other activities, people of different genders participate more or less equally.

There are lots of hats that can be worn when it comes to sailing. Some of those hats are worn less often by women. In some cases, it could be that they are actively discouraged from wearing them. In other cases, it may be that for whatever reason women as a group are just less interested than men but the women that do want to wear those hats don't have to overcome any barriers to do so. And there are lots of areas that fall somewhere in between.

I think from a legal standpoint a lot has been done to open doors that were previously closed to women, or at least difficult to walk through. Attitudes don't change as easily as laws though. We don't treat men and women exactly the same, and I'm not sure that is really the ideal anyway. Everyone should have the same opportunities however, and whatever characteristics we initially judge a person on, we should be prepared for the fact that we may be wrong.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

I've been in a lot of sports and careers that are male dominated so these things can't bother you or you'll constantly be annoyed and I have enough of that when I'm driving. At least it appears to me that sexism continues to lessen and parity between partners is more commonly accepted these days. Recently, I was cleaning some lines on my boat leaving the Alameda Estuary and a (male) friend was driving. The Coast Guard pulled us over for a regular safety check and called out "captain," which they directed to him. My friend points to me. That was cool. I suspect they would have called me captain had I been driving, but that's just idle curiosity so see if my theory holds. There was, however, a young girl manning this HUGE gun on the front of their boat. Probably every guy she encountered that day had to bite their tongues not to make a joke. I asked my friend and he certainly did...so it does continue.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

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how so? do they do things to deter or otherwise keep men from sailing?

Ironic isn't it
ironic that i would assume sexist aganst women? not really considering that women are the only ones that complain about sexism even though there are frequently elements in society that are sexist towards men. ironic that it could go the other way? yeah. i suppose. is there another possible irony that i didn't see?

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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

So I sell my boat after 40 years and my co pilot of 18 years tells me I'm not nearly as attractive now. I counter with,'I'm not really this tall (6'7") I'm standing on my wallet. We'll probably work it out but are our attitudes sexist?
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

You made the assumption that the sailors Mattt was talking about were men.
That in itself points to the whole problem, sailing isn't sexist, men are.
Even the ones who try not to be have been programmed by society to think that way.

It's a hard habit to break isn't it? My wife reminds me quite often.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

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You made the assumption that the sailors Mattt was talking about were men.
That in itself points to the whole problem, sailing isn't sexist, men are.
Even the ones who try not to be have been programmed by society to think that way.

It's a hard habit to break isn't it? My wife reminds me quite often.
yeah. but you stating that ' sailing isn't sexist, men are' is also sexist. a non sexist statement would have been to say that people ( not men ) are sexist.


i assumed that the sailors in question were men because that was the idea behind this thread: sailing is sexist against women. thus, male sailors are sexist. this thread wasn't about women being sexist and, indeed, even the article which talked about female sailor's sexist behavior towards male sailors did not acknowledge that the behavior was sexist, just that it was justified and to be applauded. i didn't make that assumption because of some personal prediliction. in fact, if anything, my assumption that it was men being accused of sexist behavior was sexist against men.

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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

It was kind of a joke, it's more like a quarter.


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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

See.....products of our environment.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

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Sailing isn't sexist but half the sailors I've met are.
Whew just got through this thread.

First I think the thread should be "How Sexist is Sailing."

And like many similar (ism) topics, the people defending that it isn't, tend to come off as if they are defending if they are or are not.

If a man and a woman go to buy a boat and when the salesperson comes up, the woman says: "We want to buy a boat" (or even if she says "I want to buy a boat.") if the salesperson is male, he will likely still talk to the man. But the same would be true if she wanted to buy a car.

We live in world with a large degree of a sexism.

If there isn't some sexism, then why do the ads in magazines (and the magazines themselves) mostly put the men in power positions and women in bikinis... (Speaking of which, are their any threads on Sailnet where a woman posted a picture of a man with kittens in his pants?)

The book that started the conversation... My guess the title (and the picture) was from the publisher and it was believed that the title --- sexist or not --- would move copies.


...all that said, I would prefer to see a discussion of sexism (all isms) with people not defending if they are a sexist, but by showing what they are doing to eliminate or prevent it


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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

What an interesting and predictable thread, I'm glad I found it.

I need to spend more time over at SA and CF...
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