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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

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Hardly- substitute my name, or minnewaska, or, hell, Larry Ellison, and the point remains the same. One of those names on the list is male, and one of those names hasn't circumnavigated and those names are the same.
I still don't get it. If I list three random male circumnavigators and one random female who hasn't, all that points out is the individual that hasn't. A personal slam. Nothing to do with gender equality or inequality.

Nevertheless, I will repeat that sailing is not sexist. Females can sail. Males can sail. The relative strength, skill and aptitude of the individual is what separates them, not gender. Individuals are, however, sexist.

NFL football is sexist and there is no equality in interest to participate.

I remain curious as to the proportion of males vs. females that have an interest to participate in sailing, if there were no other boundaries. Instinct doesn't count here.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

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I still don't get it. If I list three random male circumnavigators and one random female who hasn't, all that points out is the individual that hasn't. A personal slam. Nothing to do with gender equality or inequality.

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It really isn't that hard to get. Further, if the name doesn't matter, then it obviously not a personal slam.
However, repeatedly calling a post a "slam" is a slam. You're seeing intentions that just aren't there.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

until early 1960s, you would be hard pressed to find a female sailor. we were still being taught that LADIES do NOT sail.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

Had to rig my boat today. That mast is HEAVY. Earlier I had to clean the bilge and paint it. Disgusting. Then I was under the boat epoxing up cracks in the keel gelcoat. Messy and smelly. I will be doing more jobs that take muscle power, determination and focus. All to get the sailboat rigged and set in her slip. I had my wife and one other guy working with me today. The wife tries but she really isn't strong. I really needed someone with MUSCLE.


We have always been 50-50 paertners on our boats. But they are mine. I'm sure my wife can use the tiller just fine once we are sailing. I'm sure she can sheet the main. Yippeee. The boat will be mine because of the work I've done on her.

Is the fact that I have to lift a heavy mast or scrape and paint sexist? I think not. It just is. Men were the small engines of the world 100 years ago.


edit - I just saw my post follows zeehag. zeehag you are more of a sailor than I am. Respect. And there is no shop class anymore, for anyone.

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Had to rig my boat today. That mast is HEAVY. Earlier I had to clean the bilge and paint it. Disgusting. Then I was under the boat epoxing up cracks in the keel gelcoat. Messy and smelly. I will be doing more jobs that take muscle power, determination and focus. All to get the sailboat rigged and set in her slip. I had my wife and one other guy working with me today. The wife tries but she really isn't strong. I really needed someone with MUSCLE.

Babies are heavy, laundry is heavy, cleaning up after a man is disgusting messy and smelly! Wife will make all the things nice, cook, clean YOUR mess, take your attitude with silence and continue to love you. (beats me why)

We have always been 50-50 paertners on our boats. But they are mine. I'm sure my wife can use the tiller just fine once we are sailing. I'm sure she can sheet the main. Yippeee. The boat will be mine because of the work I've done on her.
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Is the fact that I have to lift a heavy mast or scrape and paint sexist? I think not.
No.. it's your thinking that is from caveman 101

It just is. Men were the small engines of the world 100 years ago.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

Denise,

you seem to be arguing for sexism. Women nurture is what you are saying.

For my own post, I was was just ranting because my own work was all effed up. Nothing much to do with sexism or what my wife or anyone did..... my boat is a mess, still on the hard..rigging laying all over the place...that kind of thing. I just switched to a much cheaper yard.. its actually the back of a waterfront bar, no power,no water , no crane, no room... you have to work on the road. But half the price and a mile from my house. And a tiki bar 50 feet from my slip. ;-) But right now not only is my boat messed up, its on the side of the road. So, I was just ranting. I have no idea who is sexist and why. But this too shall pass. I had a snickers bar and now I'm back to my old self.

And I do my own laundry. With that, I am done with this thread. Fair winds everyone.

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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

Totally a slam. You didn't pick a random name, ou picked mine. That makes it not random.

Why not take an actual random list of all the names of the people whi have circumnavigated and see how many are women.

You are only proving my earlier point that when women accomplish what a man has done many times they get more recognition. In this case for circumnavigating.

Isn't it slightly sexist to have a her sailnet but no his sailnet to talk about men specific issues?

I'm not sexist. Any person that walked down the dock and asked for my help I would give it.

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Which, one could argue, demonstrates the inherent sexism of the sport.

Since we're cherrypicking sailing achievements, I posit that when provided with the same opportunities as their males peers, the women can, and do shine.
For example:
Tania Aebi
Jessica Watson
Laura Decker
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Which one hasn't sailed around the world?
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Sexist? Siiiiggggghhhh.

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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

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... I posit that when provided with the same opportunities as their males peers, the women can, and do shine...
Exactly...and if we would only install certain people in a the air-conditioned corner office in control of certain things, they would perform equally admirably.

Unfortunately for those folks who are waiting for someone to provide them with the "same opportunities", the world is a competitive place and there are those of us who will pursue and take those opportunities ("the hunters") without waiting for someone to hand them to us ("the gatherers").

If you think the world owes you something, you are already lost. Life ain't fair. Get over it.
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Totally a slam. You didn't pick a random name, ou picked mine. That makes it not random.

Why not take an actual random list of all the names of the people whi have circumnavigated and see how many are women.

You are only proving my earlier point that when women accomplish what a man has done many times they get more recognition. In this case for circumnavigating.

Isn't it slightly sexist to have a her sailnet but no his sailnet to talk about men specific issues?

I'm not sexist. Any person that walked down the dock and asked for my help I would give it.
I picked YOUR name, because I was replying to YOUR post.
That doesn't make it a slam.
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