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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

Well said, JennyWren and welcome to SailNet!
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Almost without exception, whenever I see a couple on a boat the guy is at the helm and the Mrs is on the bow, jumping to the dock tying lines etc, even deploying or trying to break the anchor out.
Old the old boat (OB in well and too far forward for easy reach from helm), we anchored with me on the bow, my then-5-year-old son on the throttle, and my then-7-year-old daughter at helm. Worked good.

I would want whoever's got the most experience on the bow calling the shots.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

Sexism is self-perpetuating.

I read the example above of how one felt dismissed because a man was asked the same question that a women just answered. It could have been dismissive. However, the first thought that went through my mind is buddies that will continually ask me the same question, they would then ask the dog, a stranger or just talk to the piling. They often don't accept anyone's answer or just want to talk about the topic.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. If you want to see sexism, it will remain.
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If you want to see sexism, it will remain.
and dismissing it won't make it go away.
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Ya know, I'm not so sure that sailing is sexist, where else can a women step foot aboard and immediately become ***ADMIRAL***

Wait, you may be right!!, it is sexist!! Well just kiss my a$$ from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard,dead! Niedermeyer... oops, sorry, got caught up in the moment
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

Isn’t “Whenever I've had new sailing friends (couples) on the boat, the Women are the better helmsmen(person). seems the gals have a better touch on the wheel, something about finesse I guess. The guys want to muscle it and drive all over creation. I'll take a gal at the wheel any day.” a little sexist statement in its own right?

Mrs. B and I jointly own all the boats we’ve bought since our nuptials. We both appear on all the paperwork. The club membership is in my name (why pay double the dues?). Mrs. B is very familiar with all the boat systems (sometimes too familiar!) She is not a string puller and helms for personal enjoyment. Yes, she hands the helm to me during sea and anchor details and when the wind pipes up, and during nighttime… But she does this for enjoyment and not to prove anything (she already has about 1,000 open ocean miles on her resume). I need you female sailnetters to write her a stern letter and make her do all the things she personally doesn’t like to do for the sake of saving me from appearing sexist.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

Thanks for the welcome, DRFerron.

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Sexism is self-perpetuating.

I read the example above of how one felt dismissed because a man was asked the same question that a women just answered. It could have been dismissive. However, the first thought that went through my mind is buddies that will continually ask me the same question, they would then ask the dog, a stranger or just talk to the piling. They often don't accept anyone's answer or just want to talk about the topic.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. If you want to see sexism, it will remain.
Quite so, but it would never have occurred to me personally to go looking for sexism, in fact the opposite. I work in a traditionally-male-dominated field, at times in the past with particularly male-oriented applications and subject matter, and have never personally encountered sexism from colleagues, so I wasn't on the lookout for it in the comparatively benign field of boat ownership.

It was just noticeable - to both of us - how often there was a different reaction to the same factual response (year of boat launch, boat builder, boat designer, stuff like that) when delivered by a female and a male.

Though hardly an issue that makes any difference to my ability to get on with life, it was a bit of a surprise.

I currently have a work colleague who *would* ask you, me, him, the dog, the piling, any passing seagull and the probably boat itself, and would not absorb a thing any of us said on an equal-opportunity basis.
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Re: Is Sailing Sexist?

Here's another example along the lines of the winches being geared for an average man's strength and are thus a little heavy for an average woman.

Yesterday I got a Mustang MD3184 inflatable PDF with harness (happy birthday to me!). According to the manual "The harness is designed to be worn by persons at least 5 feet 5 inches tall."

I'm guessing 90% of men are over 5' 5", but maybe 50% of women. My wife is only 5' 0", so she'd have to wear a separate PFD and harness if she were going to clip in. Not that this is horrible, but it's just one more little thing that women have to put up with that men never think about. As they say, privilege is invisible to those who have it.
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As they say, privilege is invisible to those who have it.
Very good observation!
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I put it to the ladies of Sailnet- is this lifestyle of ours as sexist as I think?
Absolutely. In a world where my wife or daughter will make on average, 75 cents to the dollar I'll make, doing the same task, how could the world of sailing possibly escape?

But those are salary averages. Fortunately, each person is different in regards to sexism, and can help to make the world in general(and sailing as well), less sexist.

Due simply to the archaic sexist title, no one ought to buy that book.
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