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Visa confusion

For the schengen visa program, I am reading that you can only stay 90 days within a period of 180 days. I may be getting confused with Turkish rules that I read on noonsite.

What I am wondering is does the clock start at your first schengen port or if you leave port and cruise on the sea for a passage of several days you can deduct those days from your 90 day limit?

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Re: Visa confusion

It is very confusing, and I don't really understand it myself. The last time I was in Europe was in 1987 so back then you just go visitors visa, and did not worry, I think mine was 3 years, though I was only there for 4 months mostly as a student. The current rules really put a damper on the whole college student getting a rail pass and hanging out in hostels for a year idea.

Well anyway, the point of my post is that there are changes coming soon that should loosen it up a bit. Apparently brought about by circus clowns or something like that. Not sure if the new rues will make cruising any easier but seems it could not get much more restrictive.
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For the schengen visa program, I am reading that you can only stay 90 days within a period of 180 days. I may be getting confused with Turkish rules that I read on noonsite.

What I am wondering is does the clock start at your first schengen port or if you leave port and cruise on the sea for a passage of several days you can deduct those days from your 90 day limit?
Turkey is not an EU member and not part of Shengen.
Not all EU members are Schengen member and not all Shengen members is member of EU.
Read more here.

I would think that if you sail out of Schengen into international waters you have left Schengen - but you will need to be able to document entry and exit.

Some more info here http://www.jimbsail.info/going-forei...-organisations
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Shengan Visa rules are getting changed. It will be passed in May and come into effect later in the year.

It will allow 12 months in Shengan with a further 12 month extension. Yippee!
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Shengan Visa rules are getting changed. It will be passed in May and come into effect later in the year.

It will allow 12 months in Shengan with a further 12 month extension. Yippee!
Yes your post made me think of this! I had been fantasy planning my med cruising itinerary all weekend.

I was wondering if you start your clock in the Azores during the ARC Eastbound and then spend several days reaching Portugal can you deduct that time from your 90 days.

The new rules do look good, you would think that 12 months should be plenty but I am coming up with several cruise ideas that would easily span that time and more.
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The new rules do look good, you would think that 12 months should be plenty but I am coming up with several cruise ideas that would easily span that time and more.
Yes its looking much better.
The reasons are simple,since Shengan the EU has been losing market share of long stay tourists... There are now virtualy none. Americans will NOT stay in Muslim countries if they can avoid it. So Europe can open up, or close the whole med for the next decade or so whilst Muslims murder each other.

It will make it much, much better for us and I look forward to 2 years in the med.


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Re: Visa confusion

For those who are not aware it is worth noting that the Schengen Area is derived from an international agreement independent of the European Union (EU). While it has its roots in the old European Community (EC) (it was the first effort to remove border controls between EC member countries) it has evolved separately.

EU members United Kingdom and Ireland are not part of Schengen. EU members Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, and Romania are in the process of joining.

Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland are not part of the EU but are part of Schengen.

Visa considerations are different for Schengen and the EU. People and property are treated differently. It's all a moving target. The proposed changes will help but still won't mean complete alignment.

When I bought Auspicious in Sweden I was in the EU (and had to pay attention to a VAT clock) and in Schengen (and had to pay attention to a visa clock). When we got to Southampton (UK is out of Schengen) the more liberal EU visa clock applied. It wasn't until we left the Azores (Portugeuse) that I had left the EU within the required time to avoid liability for VAT.

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