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Re: Here comes December

Read this before inspecting likely candidates; could save you a ton of trouble & a bundle of money.
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Re: Here comes December

The article Manatee linked to is great. Here's another:
Catalina - Capri - 25s International Association

One important point: Don't buy the first boat you step foot on, at least not right away. She may look perfect, and she may be perfect, but you REALLY need to be aboard some cruddy boats to understand where to look for problems. For example, I was aboard another Allmand before we bought ours. It needed work, but I loved the cabin, cockpit layout, etc. But as I wandered around, I noticed that the bulkhead where the port-side chainplate was attached was actually made of 2 pieces of plywood, and there was a distinct separation of the two. That made me look closer and realize that water was coming in from that chainplate. I looked at the one on the other side, and found a lot of calcification and other build-up next to that chainplate. That scared me enough to put in a REALLY low-ball offer which the seller rejected. It also taught me what water damage actually looked like, and what some kinds of corosion looked like on the chainplates. It helped me a lot when I went to look at other boats, not just other Allmands. In hindsight, I'm glad we didn't get the other Allmand.
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The first boat I looked at was an Ensada 20. I loved it but it was on the hard with a deflected hull. Second, huge full keel I loved it. It would still be in the yard being repaired now if I bought it. Then to the Sailboat Rescue. Same story. Finally, a trip to see a Precision 23 and our Lancer 25. The 25 was twice the boat at $200 more. Truly worth the hassle.
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Re: Here comes December

There are so many fantastic sailboats it's difficult to narrow it down. I wonder if I'll really know what size I am comfortable with until I get out on the blue.

For the time being I'm thinking I should go for one of the 20-25'ers you gents mentioned. In the long run I would like something large enough for friends and family to be out for several weeks with me (ideally 4-7 people comfortably). I have many willing an able friends I serve with who would be for short cruising and take leave for it (I also have ten brothers. Hah.)

Starting with a 20-25'er will not only get me out on the water sooner, but gives me a period to break stuff without the deep pocket penalty, while building experience and eventually start our father son sailing experiences out from a young age. I could simply set aside that extra savings account to begin building towards the big picture in the long run.
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Re: Here comes December

You want the boat that makes you feel this ---

" “Master and Owner of the Racundra.” Does any man need a prouder title or description? In moments of humiliation, those are the words that I shall whisper to myself for comfort. I ask no others on my grave."

--Arthur Ransome, "Racundra’s First Cruise"

--From a review of "Racunda's First Cruise":

"Racundra (owner and master Mr. Arthur Ransome, who is well known to our readers as a skilled navigator in the troubled waters of European policy), is that ideal craft that is just big enough to go anywhere. One need not sail such a yacht to Callao to get the most of her. It is the fact that one could that counts. It may be that one is merely dropping down, say, the Firth of Clyde on a summer night, picking up in turn the Cumbrae, Holy Isle, and Ailsa Craig lights, with the few well-chosen messmates singing chanties in the tiny cockpit, and on the starboard bow the Arran mountains, rising black from the sea in the moonlight to their caps of white cloud. No farther than the Hebrides this time, it is agreed, and yet –. There's an abundance of stores aboard of her –tinned meats and biscuits and fruits enough for a month at sea, and even a keg of the "right Jamaica" that the old bold mate Henry Morgan affected. Her water-tank is newly filled. Her crew have been through much and never fallen out nor shirked. As for herself, she will stand up to anything, with her broad-beamed thirty feet of length and her staunch, simple rig. Why not go on, and on, and see strange parts and different sorts of men and many wonders? No yachtsman but has this feeling if he loves the sea and trusts his craft and the men who sail with him. That is why Mr. Arthur Ransome's book will make most of them jealous. For he has had the courage of his aspiration.

Racundra, for long a dream demanding realisation, was built last year at Riga to the plans of her owner and of the "the best designer in the Baltic". She is a centre-board ketch, not quite thirty feet long, with a twelve-foot beam and a five-horse-power auxiliary which Mr. Ransome in the course of a 500-mile cruise in difficult waters and in sorts of weather disdained to use.

She was to be a cruising boat that one man could manage if need be, but on which three could live comfortably. She was to have a writing-table and book-case, a place for a typewriter, broad bunks where a man might lay him down and rest without bruising knee and elbow with each unconsidered movement . . . She should not be fast, but she should be fit to keep the sea when other little boats were scuttling for shelter. In fact, she was to be the boat that every man would wish who likes to move from port to port, a little ship in which in temperate climates a man might live from year's end to year's end."

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Re: Here comes December

Thank you for such a worthwhile read, and a fantastic story. It was both a grueling experience I may not have imagined, and a triumph to overcome. No doubt a testament to the challenges of sailing, and the excellence of the supportiveness of this community.
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Any chance you're free on Sunday morning? I know it's a heck of a hike, and I can't stay out TOO long, but I'm hoping to get there Sunday to start doing some winterization. It will be windy enough that I'd prefer to have crew with me, so I won't go out alone, but if you're free, you're welcome to come for a ride!

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That would be stellar. NJ area?
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If it makes you feel better, Sunday isn't looking as great anyway.

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