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hi, i'm looking for advice on my first boat, and would like some suggestion on the proper boat to get to learn the rope for a couple of year before to commit to something larger that will then include the family.


my only experience sailing is a spring break sail camp in france on a lake as a teenager (wich leads me here 20 years later) and plan on to take few ASA class in addition to you tube tutorial from here and there

i will be using the boat in and around gardiners bay long island , new-york

the amenities and cabin comfort offering of the boat are are secondary to me at this -point , but would rather have a great
learning vessel that that still allows me to do 100 plus miles trip in descent condition , and be appropripriate to sail trough moderately bad weather as well.

very exited to have join this community , thank you in advance for your suggestions
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Many sailing schools encourage their students to take the boats without an instructor for a day or more. I suggest that you enroll in a school, and take advantage of this.

My first real sailing experience was with a club. I took my ASA courses through them, and then joined their club, which allowed me to use the boat any day after 10:am, and to reserve the boat for a week long cruise. Boats ranged from Pearson 26s to CAL 39s. I eventually grew tired of the way that the boats were kept (no one person owned them, so no one loved them) and so bought my first boat an O'day 35.


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Re: advice on first boat

What's the budget? You can do this on anything down to about $5,000 but could easily spend 20 times that or more.

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You will save a lot by joining a club as mentioned above.
Sail for a while first before deciding to actually own one...and all that comes with it.
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thank you, Eherlihi, i don't know how i feel about taking someone else's boat out, i tihnck i would freak out twice more then if it was mine in top of all the other feeling i'll have. especailly on my first miles solo

something about this idea is just not for me,

i know i have to buy it make it my own and then sail it .

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hi stumble, my budget is about 60k max
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Re: advice on first boat

So you want a starter boat, good sailer but not necessarily luxurious, and you want to be able to sail 100 miles a day; and the budget is 60K max.

I get that you want to buy your own boat rather than join a club; not the way I did it, but to each his own. As a starter boat, I would recommend getting something on the smaller side, say 22-26 feet. You learn a lot more about sailing with a smaller, tiller steered boat. The boat reacts more quickly and you can actually see and feel the results of your sail trim and steering much more easily. And for 60K, you could buy two new boats that size or maybe 10 used ones. If you intend to use the boat then move up, resale value should also be on your list. Go with a newer Catalina 22. There are about a zillion out there, choices are fulsome, prices are low, values are high. You cruise it (like camping on the water), race it, beat the hell out of it, then sell it for what you paid for it in a couple of years. Get a nice one with a trailer for less than 10K.

the Catalina isn't your only choice. You could also look at the Catalina 25, the Oday 22, 222, 23 and 25. The Pearson 26 is another choice. You have many similar choices. About the only thing you can't get with your budget is a boat that will be able to sail 100 miles in a day. Assuming by "in a day" you mean about a 10 hour period. If you could crank an average speed of 5 knots over the course of 10 hours out of any production boat that size, you are doing quite well. Amazingly well. So adjust your expectations a bit, and enjoy.
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Re: advice on first boat

What mstern said.

Guy in my marina just bought his first boat, an old Ranger 22 in kinda rough but sound and sailable shape for $1,500. Its actually pretty quick. Small boats are more fun, and you'll learn more sailing them. Big boats damp out the inputs more. Plus, with a small boat you can cheaply stick an outboard on it and not have to deal with the tremendous expenses that very often go with an aging diesel inboard. Hell, you could even push one in and out of the slip with an electric trolling motor.

You can get back out of these boats for not much of a loss if your careful, and the knowledge you take with you will scale up to your next boat perfectly.

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Re: advice on first boat

I really liked chartering to figure out what kind of boat I wanted. It's good to learn on the 25' boats w/out much luxury. I thought I'd want a 31' boat max. Sure enough, the club got the boat I was looking @ & it was too small once I chartered it a few times. I didn't like it either. After chartering a bunch, I settled on my 39'er that I absolutely love!!
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Re: advice on first boat

While i don't disagree that a Catalina 22, or some other small trailer sailor is a good way to learn, if you go the small boat route I would suggest a true daysailor, really whatever small one design class is raced locally. Even if you choose not to race it makes selling it in a couple of years easy so long as you have kept the maintenance up.

If you want something to sail 100nm and spend weekends on it with your significant other then I would look for something in the low 30' range. Large enough to do more than camp, but still small enough to get a feel for the boat. In your price range a Beneteau 321 wouldbe the safe bet (easy to buy easy to sell), and older Pearson or Catalina in good condition would be high on my list, even a J-30 if it still had the interior (many were stripped out for racing) would be in your price range.

the thing is small boat (<20' no keel) sailing teaches you different skills. You can feel how the boat reacts when you move forward an inch or two for instance. Loads are very light so you do them by hand, which also means you know when they start to load up, etc.

Ideally you do both, race a small boat and cruise the larger one, andhave a blast doing both.

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