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Long time dreamer, recent sailer

I learned to sail when I was 16 at Many Point Scout camp in Minnesota on these little Sunfish sailing rigs. It was the best time as a youth that I can remember. I was always dragging someone with me to go sailing as we had to have a buddy.

Fastforward to now...I'm much older and have 4 boys and a girl of my own. They are all really excited to sail now that we moved near a small lake and have access to it. No motors allowed (other than trolling).

So, I got my Dad's old Chrysler 14 dagger (just recently figured out what it was called) out of the woods and cleaned it up. It's pretty good but needs some repair. The biggest being the mast step is missing. Any thoughts?

Anyway, hope to be on here more often now.

To make things worse, the weather is fantastic for sailing right now...a litlte hot, with pleny of wind, and my sailboat is not quite operational...

Oh well.

-David
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So, I got my Dad's old Chrysler 14 dagger (just recently figured out what it was called) out of the woods and cleaned it up. It's pretty good but needs some repair. The biggest being the mast step is missing. Any thoughts?
Could you take some pictures of the problem areas and post them here? That would help. Also, do you have the mast and boom, rudder, daggerboard, and sails? How are the mast shrouds?
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Re: Long time dreamer, recent sailer

This is the mast step on a Chrysler Buccaneer which is a little bit larger than yours. Is yours similar to this? The first two have hinged mast steps which may not be the original version.




This one has a regular step. This one might be more like yours.


This is a Chrysler Dagger but I can't quite make out the step detail. Is your like this?

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Re: Long time dreamer, recent sailer

Yes! That last picture looks almost exactly like it. I'll post some pictures...I did end up prototyping something from wood that I think might work...at least so I can put up the mast and check out all the rigging. (I'm itching to get this thing going).

3 areas of concern:
1. Already mentioned is the mast step
2. fiberglass repair: Cracks and places where the top attaches to the bottom
3. Anchoring into the fiberglass where the original holes are "bored" out in order to remove the rusted and corroded screws.

Pics to come...
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Yes! That last picture looks almost exactly like it. I'll post some pictures...I did end up prototyping something from wood that I think might work...at least so I can put up the mast and check out all the rigging. (I'm itching to get this thing going).
I'm not that familiar with this model. How is the butt of the mast held in place? Masts in general can sometimes go into a depressed area that keeps the base from moving, sometimes you have a stub that sticks up and goes inside the hollow base of the mast, sometimes the base is pinned in place, and sometimes you have a locking collar. They may also use a temporary holder that braces higher up and keeps it free standing until you gets the shrouds and stays set. Does yours use a wooden stop plate to keep the mast from pressing directly against the deck?

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1. Already mentioned is the mast step
I assume you need a way to raise the mast single handed. Is yours light enough to not worry about that?

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2. fiberglass repair: Cracks and places where the top attaches to the bottom
I'm not quite sure what you mean by top and bottom. Are you maybe talking about where the upper deck joins to the hull bottom? And when you mention cracks do you mean cracks in the gelcoat or cracks that actually go down into the fiberglass?

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3. Anchoring into the fiberglass where the original holes are "bored" out in order to remove the rusted and corroded screws.
This may not be that much of a problem if you can get to the underside. If it is something with a little stress you can use bolts with nuts and washers on the underside. For moderate stress you can add a fender washer on top of the regular washer to spread the load out more. For high stress you can use a backing piece which is often either aluminum stock or wood. The chain-plates on my sailboat are backed with wood. Generally you use locknuts so that you don't have to worry about them getting loose over time.
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Re: Long time dreamer, recent sailer

Ok, the mast step:

I put my prototype on where the original mast step would go...Just two pieces of wood, one on top that has a hole the shape of the mast. I have not tried it yet...I have my doubts. Seems like steel/aluminum is the way to go.

Here is the bottom of the mast. It has a slot for something to fit into it, also, the bottom is angled...do masts typically lean backwards slightly?


As far as raising it my self, that may be tricky...It's pretty light, but it's tall...18 feet or so? So my prototype may not work that well...There is no way it would stand by itself. I will have to try and see it it's an issue. I think the original step had a pin that would stick up into the hollow of the mast...not that big that it would hold the mast though..I don't think.

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Re: Long time dreamer, recent sailer

2. cracks...You are right...the part where the hull and the upper deck meets the hull. Also some cracks the seem to go through the whole fiberglass like this:


and this:


And here is where the hull and the deck seem to be separating...May not be a big deal...This is a pic looking up from underneat where the tiller would be.
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Re: Long time dreamer, recent sailer

3. The holes...you mentioned getting behind...I can't do that I dont' think...the whole boat is sealed so no way to get behind anything to add support. I'm wondering if I could use toggle bolts? Do they make them in stainless?



And here you can sort of see where the straps are supposed to attach...

Finally, here is one (of five) of my reasons for restoring this boat!
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Re: Long time dreamer, recent sailer

Thanks for the pointers so far...I already has me thinking...
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Could you take some pictures of the problem areas and post them here? That would help. Also, do you have the mast and boom, rudder, daggerboard, and sails? How are the mast shrouds?
Mast, boom, rudder, daggerboar and sails all seems fine. I should say the daggerboard seems fine after I split it and reglued/epoxyed it... Shrouds seem ok too. Even the loops that the shrouds attach to seem solid too. So it's in decent shape other than the pics that I posted!
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