Historical Sailing HELP needed! - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Welcome to Sailnet > Introduce Yourself
 Not a Member? 

Introduce Yourself Welcome to the Sailnet.com - The world's largest online sailing community! Tell us about yourself so we can get to know you. NEW!


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 02-22-2013
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
cmjavagirl is on a distinguished road
Historical Sailing HELP needed!

Hi!

I'm brand new to this site, but I'm not a sailor!

I'm writing a story set in the 17th century. The ship I've set my piece on is a frigate. I've been able to find a lot of information on ship structure, riggings, steering apparatus, but -- here's where I've run into a snag.

I need to write a storm!

I've found a lot of storm information, but it's confusing. The way I've set it up, is that the storm is coming and not actually in the thick of it yet.

Do the head into the storm? Do they turn away from the storm? Do they lower the sails -- I've found info that says this is not the best strategy as they could capsize or be ahull? Not sure about that.

Could anyone here please give a bit of help or point me in the direction of help?

It would be most appreciated!

Thanks!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #2  
Old 02-22-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 2,533
Thanks: 3
Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 13
Sailormon6 will become famous soon enough
Re: Historical Sailing HELP needed!

I think you need to furnish more facts, in order to get a good answer. Where is the ship located when the storm approaches (how close to land), what direction is it going, where is it bound for, where is it coming from, how severe is the storm? ( Is it a run-of-the-mill storm at sea, or is it a survival storm? Is it a hurricane? Storm sailing tactics depend on the nature and severity of the storm, the ship's ability (or inability) to sail to windward, the amount of sea room available, and other factors.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #3  
Old 02-22-2013
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
cmjavagirl is on a distinguished road
Re: Historical Sailing HELP needed!

Sailormon6 -- Thank you for answering! The ship is a Frigate, year 1690, not close to land -- in the Caribbean -- South bound -- run of the mill storm at sea -- tons of sea room. Not sure what other factors you'd need.

I'd appreciate any help you could give me. Thanks!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4  
Old 02-22-2013
Lake Superior Sailor's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Eagle River Wi.
Posts: 908
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Rep Power: 4
Lake Superior Sailor is on a distinguished road
Re: Historical Sailing HELP needed!

Why not check out a thread here HMS Bounty it's real!...Dale
__________________
Reluctant Lady
Cal 28, 1967
Lake Superior
Where God got it done!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #5  
Old 02-22-2013
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
cmjavagirl is on a distinguished road
Re: Historical Sailing HELP needed!

lake superior sailor - thank you -- I'll check
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #6  
Old 02-22-2013
bljones's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: South Coast Ontario
Posts: 8,129
Thanks: 32
Thanked 70 Times in 63 Posts
Rep Power: 7
bljones has a spectacular aura about bljones has a spectacular aura about
Re: Historical Sailing HELP needed!

What do you know of storm forecasting in the late 17th century? No satellites, no radar, no radio, so it largely boiled down to the crow's nest and intuition, possibly with attention being paid to a "storm glass" an early form of barometer. Square rigged ships were slow and not eager to steer, so getting out of the way was not an option. Combine this with the lack of early warning and storms become a matter of forebearance. An account from the 1715 Spanish fleet gives you an idea:

"Arriving after 3 days at the mouth of the Bahama Channel, when night fall came this same day we had 'Los Roques'in sight and at daybreak the following morning we were near the head of the Florida Keys (Key Largo or Key Biscayne) which was opposite of us off our beam. And continuing we coasted along the cayos and the mainland of Florida, however, always with very light winds, having to tack until we were forced to lay to (without sail), for the motive of still trying to incorporate Echeverz Squadron which always sailed at a distance from our Flota. We were in this position when the wind began to blow fresh from the ENE and taking a sounding we found we were in 50 fathoms of water. We were advised by the Capitana, by a cannon shot and flags, to use what sails we could and head away from the coast until we were in deep water. But we were unable to do this because the currents were pushing us towards the shore and the winds were getting stronger, as being from the wrong direction for getting away from the shore. The sun disappeared and the wind increased and increased in velocity coming from the east and ENE. The seas became very great in size, the wind continued blowing us toward shore, pushing us into shallow water. Then the wind changed to a furious hurricane and the seas became of such great size, with huge waves, and being in still shallower water we were unable to sail. It soon happened that we were unable to use any sail at all, making bare our yards, mostly due to the wind carrying away our sails and rigging, and we at the mercy of the wind and water, always driving closer to the shore. Having then lost all our masts, all of the ships were wrecked on the shore between the middle of the night of the 30th until 10 in the morning of the 31st. All of the ships, with the exception of mine, broke into pieces."
__________________
It's 5 o'clock somewhere:


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #7  
Old 02-22-2013
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
cmjavagirl is on a distinguished road
Re: Historical Sailing HELP needed!

Thank you for the information. It is precisesly for some of the reasons you stated that this info has been difficult to come by. I've finally found some more help at Sea History mag.

Thanks again!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Historical manual from the navy jasonr575 Seamanship & Navigation 1 01-27-2007 04:12 AM
Sailing Mentor Needed - NYC wormly81 Learning to Sail 8 07-08-2006 12:13 AM
sailing experience needed shiver me timbers Crew Wanted/Available 3 03-09-2006 01:15 PM
Sailing Counselor needed Skylemar Crew Wanted/Available 0 12-29-2004 06:17 AM
Sailing Tutor Needed bmcb Crew Wanted/Available 5 12-16-2004 05:37 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:50 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.