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Is Irwin 10/4 (modified) right for me?

Our condominium association is planning on building a new dock beginning March 1. I need some planning help here. First off…

The boat itself is titled at 25'4", my association requires the boat be no more than 25' long as noted on the registration. Snipping 4" off the bow would be required upfront. I'm told this is possible physically and have a bid to do this and remount the bowsprit for $1,000. Florida registration folks tell me the boat could then be inspected and the title/registration corrected to reflect this. Anyone ever had experience with this sort of thing? Fish and Wildlife is the agency that does the inspection. Good idea? Bad idea?

If feasible, I need to move on to dock needs. My dock/piling needs need to be set by this coming Friday.


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#1 Would you install a boat lift for this vessel? $4,800 buys me a 10,000# lift. 4 new pilings cost $1,630. Anyone know the dry weight for the Irwin?

#2 The beam of the Irwin is 10' 4". What would you consider to be the optimum piling spacing lift or no lift? I have 13 feet total to work with. New pilings consuming 16 to 20 inches of that space. The dock is being raised 12" and if I were to opt to leave the boat in the water would the two current dockside pilings suffice? The four current pilings are 10' apart. Two would need to be removed to accommodate the Irwin's beam.

#3 Should I opt for the lift I need to find drawings for lift design purposes. Are these available anywhere? The slip is located in tidal waters with boat wakes present.What would you do? I am new to boating and sailing from the captain's perspective. Hitherto I've enjoyed boating merely as a passenger. I have much to learn, obviously.

I will be cruising the coastal areas of SW Florida. Should I find cruising to be my cup of tea, is this boat capable of taking me past Key West?

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P.S. My slip is at the dock's end and I presumably won't have other boats to contend with other than mooring alongside my immediate neighbor.

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Re: Is Irwin 10/4 (modified) right for me?

That is not even a very good boat to start with, let alone adding all this extra work and expense. Not a very seaworthy design for what you intend to do. Maybe Cape Dory 25? Better design and under 25 feet (24.8).
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Re: Is Irwin 10/4 (modified) right for me?

It's roomy, my number one priority beside being a sailboat. Is the standard 25 a better choice? I'd only have to snip 3" off that model. ;-)

Seriously, though, all input at this time is appreciated. Because of the lift matter I basically need to pick out a boat by Friday. The boat lift guy says a Catalina 25 will fit on the $4,800 lift without modification.


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Re: Is Irwin 10/4 (modified) right for me?

Yea, they are not horrible, but not worth the effort of remove the bow spirit. Unless you have the boat already, I would find something that does not need to be modified. What is the rush? It's not like it will be modified before Friday. The only way I would put in a lift would be if you were racing the boat and had a polished bottom. The lift is likely twice the price of the boat. I would put the money into the boat, not a lift.
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The rush is the pilings and the lift. Are the current two pilings next to the finger dock adequate for mooring? After the dock height is raised I estimate they will be roughly 4.5 ' above dock height. There is a considerable amount of wake activity affecting our dock. My slip is the one nearest the channel out to the gulf. Boats are raring to go at that point having passed many no wake zones prior to that point.

If I, or my family after my death, ever want to put a lift in the slip, now is the time to do it cost effectively. If two pilings are adequate I can save myself another $1,630 by forgoing the new pilings altogether. Actually, now that I think of it, I can just keep all four current pilings if I opt to skip the Irwin 10/4. I can keep the 4,500 pound lift for that matter as well. Trouble is, I'm only left with 4.5' of clearance. I have to assume, too, that a lift would greatly assist in boarding the boat.
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The rush is the pilings and the lift. Are the current two pilings next to the finger dock adequate for mooring? After the dock height is raised I estimate they will be roughly 4.5 ' above dock height. There is a considerable amount of wake activity affecting our dock. My slip is the one nearest the channel out to the gulf. Boats are raring to go at that point having passed many no wake zones prior to that point.

If I, or my family after my death, ever want to put a lift in the slip, now is the time to do it cost effectively. If two pilings are adequate I can save myself another $1,630 by forgoing the new pilings altogether. Actually, now that I think of it, I can just keep all four current pilings if I opt to skip the Irwin 10/4. I can keep the 4,500 pound lift for that matter as well. Trouble is, I'm only left with 4.5' of clearance. I have to assume, too, that a lift would greatly assist in boarding the boat.
In that case I would go ahead and have the pilings put in. with the most space they will allow you to have. A lift may help in that situation, but the only lifts I have seen were to keep a racing boat out of the water (power or sail) and clean.

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Re: Is Irwin 10/4 (modified) right for me?

If you haven't bought the boat yet, (not clear on this) then I'd go with the Catalina 25 or similar option. The mods you're talking about will be expensive, probably with a somewhat unsightly result, leaving you with an oddball boat that would be harder to sell at a later date.

Set up your berth/dock as best you can right now, leaving maximum space available, and put the money into a boat that fits.

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Boat has not yet been purchased or committed to.

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Way too many structural issues, costs, and complications with 'snipping a few inches off'... buy a boat that fits..
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Re: Is Irwin 10/4 (modified) right for me?

Forgoing all new dock costs leaves $6,430 in my pocket which has its appeal. The current lift is 10' wide. Gut tells me I should do new pilings, at a minimum. Does the $4,800 lift and a Catalina 25 give me a better experience than a Watkins 25 (plan B) in the water? Remember, roomy currently tops my objectives list. I'm not sure what a lift would cost for the Watkins 25.

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