Multiple foresail furlers - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Skills and Seamanship > Learning to Sail
 Not a Member? 


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 07-26-2004
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 53
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 12
Jonathan316 is on a distinguished road
Multiple foresail furlers

After drooling over a photo collection of Open 40 and Open 60 single-handed boats I''ve noticed that many use multiple roller furlers for their foresails. Some mounted with the furlers almost next to each other, more with them on 2-3 independant stays in a line spaced from the bow towards the mast. Like a main furler on the forestay and another furler mounted 1-2 feet aft of the first.

And now my embarassing dumb question:

How to you tack with the foremost furlers''s sails deployed? How does a genoa or jib get around those extra furler units & stays without hanging up on them? Do they have to furl the sails to tack?

Hope that makes sense and isn''t too dumb a question for the forum.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #2  
Old 07-26-2004
Jeff_H's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Annapolis, Md
Posts: 6,564
Thanks: 5
Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts
Rep Power: 10
Jeff_H has a spectacular aura about Jeff_H has a spectacular aura about Jeff_H has a spectacular aura about
Multiple foresail furlers

Open class boat use huge assymetrical reaching sails that are jibed around the outside of headstay (outer stay) that they are attached to. They do not use genoas up wind and so fly thier upwind sails on the forestay (the inner most of the two stays). Not a dumb question at all.

Jeff
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #3  
Old 07-27-2004
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 53
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 12
Jonathan316 is on a distinguished road
Multiple foresail furlers

Once again you further my education Jeff, thank you.

What happens to the sheets? If they jibe around the outside, are the sheets routed outside of the headstay as well?

And compared to ''forestay'', how do you define a headstay? Is it simply the forward-most stay? Guess I''m confused over whether if a boat has a a single forward stay should be referred to as the headstay or forestay. Is it a question of load bearing and/or mast support that defines the difference?

Sorry to thank you with so many follow-ups...

Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4  
Old 07-27-2004
Jeff_H's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Annapolis, Md
Posts: 6,564
Thanks: 5
Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts
Rep Power: 10
Jeff_H has a spectacular aura about Jeff_H has a spectacular aura about Jeff_H has a spectacular aura about
Multiple foresail furlers

In days of old......never mind...er.... lets just put it this way, when I was growing up, the headstay was the stay that goes to the head of the mast. On a masthead sloop with a single headsail, the headstay is the same stay as the forestay. On a boat with multiple stays forward of the mainmast (or foremast on a schooner), the stay that is inboard of the headstay is the forestay and the stay that is inboard of that is the Jibstay. On a boat that only has two stays forward of the forward most mast, the forestay can be the jibstay. The popular term ''staysail'' is an abreviated form of the term,forestaysail. The other sail is a headstay sail. Both are headsails, as are spinnakers which are not flown from stays at all. Baby stays are stays that are used for structural support and are of a size and location where a headsail cannot be effectively flown from it. There is no such thing as a cutter stay (except perhaps on vessels with left handed monkey wrenches.)

What happens to the sheets? If they jibe around the outside, are the sheets routed outside of the headstay as well? Yes....
Jeff
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #5  
Old 08-09-2004
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 126
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 11
Billpjr is on a distinguished road
Multiple foresail furlers

I had twin roller furling genoas on a 42''x24k lb cutter. It also had an inner stay with quick release for storm sails. This stay was normally released and secured so it didn''t chafe the sail or cause tacking problems.

The twin furlers were setup fore and aft and spaced approx 18" apart. If spaced closer the sails could rub and chafe. Both sails were the same size but different weights (heavy and light). I used the heavy aft one for regular cruising and deployed the light fwd one while running both sails wing and wing on poles. Each furler had a dedicated winch with wire to roller them up. I wouldn''t go offshore with furling gear that wasn''t setup that way. The boat has sailed the atlantic coast down to panama, through the canal, Galapagos, Hawaii, Alaska and back to Florida with this rig...no problems.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sloop, Cutter or Ketch jsgsail Boat Review and Purchase Forum 17 12-26-2008 02:47 PM
New to Sailing, please Help =) xyris Learning to Sail 19 11-17-2008 08:30 AM
Ketch/Yawl Handling svsymphony Seamanship & Navigation 19 07-05-2008 01:19 AM
Types of Mainsail Vertical Furlers flicker Boat Review and Purchase Forum 0 10-24-2003 05:13 PM
diffrent rigs? (schooner, ketch, cutter, sloop) jbarros Boat Review and Purchase Forum 2 07-09-2003 04:10 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:26 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.