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Old 07-23-2013
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Outboard ... what am I doing wrong ???

The boat is finally back in the water. She is comfy and sound, though I could have spent many more days trying to fix things up "prettier". The previous engines I've used on her were an electric troller (on a large inland lake) - very responsive and my old 8HP foursmoke which was ok apart from the coil being too big for the outboard well which limited the angle when steering. We took her out today in the afternoon. This is the first time I've really tried my new Tohatsu 6HP saildrive. This is clamped onto the transom. I am having real problems going with the outboard alone. My rudder is completely out of the water when I motor as it is not linked with the engine. Steering with the outboard tiller when going ahead is a major headache. I find it very slow to respond and then completely overshooting when it finally does. Going astern is not a problem at all, I can pretty easily change course and turn. I ended up motoring backwards into the marina. Yes, I feel like a complete noob. As the engine is still being run in I am only using limited thrust. I am so frustrated. There must be a simple but complete misunderstanding on my side. What am I doing wrong ?
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Re: Outboard ... what am I doing wrong ???

I was taught to use the outboard to steer in reverse, but use the rudder to steer in forward. Worked for me.
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Re: Outboard ... what am I doing wrong ???

When we back out, the key is to be -SLOW- and plan ahead, remember that the thrust of the motor is not what is going to move you, it's your weight and momentum. I have the same motor and we only engage it in reverse, I don't add any throttle, that's enough to get us moving. After the shrouds pass the end of the dock, I put it into neutral and drift backwards, once the bow clears, I put it into forward and give it a small amount of throttle before I start turning out. It's easier to speed up than to slow down and going too fast has gotten me into trouble more than once. I barely even engage the throttle until we are out of the marina.

If I need to maneuver more than small changes, I twist the outboard instead of our tiller. I've found that using both at the same time is best, but my rudder is useless in reverse and only so effective until we get going. The rudder has to have enough control authority to steer the boat, we back so slowly that it barely has any at all. If you find yourself backing into things, remember that the boat will continue to drift without power, so learn to determine when you should put the motor in neutral to keep from going too fast when you are pulling into the dock or backing out.

Having an outboard is awesome, it's like a stern thruster, it can get you into some really tight spaces, it does take some getting used to though.
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Re: Outboard ... what am I doing wrong ???

As suggested above, have you tried locking the outboard so it stays fixed (doesn't rotate) when you're in forward, and then steering with the tiller/rudder? I think that will give you more control.
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Re: Outboard ... what am I doing wrong ???

On our old boat before we entered the marina, we took the rudder off completely and just used the outboard. At first because our slip was shallow and the rudder would scrape the bottom. Then we realized that it was just easier to maneuver into the slip in reverse without the rudder getting in the way. Going in reverse with an outboard was a lot easier than with an inboard.
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Re: Outboard ... what am I doing wrong ???

Not sure what kind of boat you have as your profile says its a Macgregor and the picture is clearly not a Macgregor but I find it much easier and more convenient to keep the engine locked in the center position when moving forward under power and use the rudder to steer. Removing our rudder is not an option on a Catalina 27.

I dont know how Shinook gets his boat moving without some kind of thrust as zero speed = zero momentum no matter the weight. You cant launch a rocket with no thrust and your boat wont move without thrust either. Momentum is something to be overcome when moving from reverse to forward and it does require thrust when maneuvering in a tight space such as a marina.
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Re: Outboard ... what am I doing wrong ???

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I dont know how Shinook gets his boat moving without some kind of thrust as zero speed = zero momentum no matter the weight.
I didn't say there wasn't any thrust.

When the outboard goes into gear, it produces enough power to move the boat without adding throttle. It's not truly idle unless it's in neutral, when it's in either gear it will get the boat moving without adding more power.
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Not sure what kind of boat you have as your profile says its a Macgregor and the picture is clearly not a Macgregor
Delite, I definitely have the same boat as on my picture, which is definitely a Macgregor . They've made other boats apart from the motorsailors in the past - this is a Mac 26S, the swing keel version of what is also known as the Mac 26C (classic).
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Re: Outboard ... what am I doing wrong ???

Thanks guys for all your suggestions. I'd actually been told in the past by some very experienced big boat old salts not to use the rudder for steering when going ahead with an outboard. Maybe that's where all my confusion is coming from. I'll lock the outboard and use the rudder when I go out next time. Will probably still go back into the marina in reverse with the rudder up and steer with the outboard if it gives me better control. Now I am wondering if it would be beneficial to link outboard and rudder so that both move parallel or to have an "outboard rudder" fixed on the outboard.
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Re: Outboard ... what am I doing wrong ???

The outboard is presumably not centre mounted. Therefore it will steer more easily in one direction than another. Think of pulling /pushing in one quarter that alone will turn the boat.
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