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Re: how much experience do I need

As Dylan has come in with thoughts on the boat here is my two pennyworth.

Absolute max draft 6 ft., 5 ft is better and 4 ft with CB better still.

Look for a boat with a recent two or three cylinder Yanmar diesel; avoid anything with an original Volvo unless it is low hours and runs really well.

Avoid anything with an Atomic 4 gas engine. [ Dons flame suit and hides ]

The outboard option is a possibility although if you are caught out in rough weather you will find the prop comes out of the water A LOT. But if it goes wrong a good used one is a boat buck. [ Boat Buck is a well known term it stands for Break Out Another Thousand ]

You might look at buying in New York and avoiding that first nasty looking offshore leg. Something like this CLICKY Price might be a little optimistic and it ticks most of the boxes except water tankage.
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thanks. That boat had an atomic 4 gas engine. the same type u said to avoid avoid at all costs??. I am lookin for a boat to live on for a while 6 months to a year, whats the lowest cost to rent a slip?? In Florida say. Or further north?/ Randy
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Slip prices vary by location and amenities. YOU can obviously use the internet, so google different locations, marinas, and you will find prices by foot, by day, by month, and annually.
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Re: how much experience do I need

"Sailing isn't rocket surgery"

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thanks. That boat had an atomic 4 gas engine. the same type u said to avoid avoid at all costs??. I am lookin for a boat to live on for a while 6 months to a year, whats the lowest cost to rent a slip?? In Florida say. Or further north?/ Randy
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The inboard engine is a Universal 3 cylinder Diesel with only 2000 hours on it!
OK not a Yanmar but not a Volvo and very definitely not an Atomic 4.

Slip rental in Florida varies a LOT. Often dependent on the distance from the sea. Check Craigslist for bargains. eg CLICKY
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Yes.... well......more like "Brain Science"
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Re: how much experience do I need

You will never be ready. Ever. Don't buy a boat, sit in the park and play checkers with the old timers.

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Re: how much experience do I need

Ok, all jokes aside.

First of all, the "Avoid Atomic 4's at all costs" advice is just nonsense. I, and many of my friends own them. They've been ticking on sailboats for 40 years, safely. They are no more dangerous than gasoline engines on powerboats. Most recreational powerboats are gasoline powered.

Personally, I'm not biased towards either gasoline or diesel. If my boat came with a diesel, depending on the brand, I'd be perfectly satisfied. Instead, my boat came with an Atomic-4 that runs like a Swiss watch, and I am perfectly satisfied with it. Why not visit the Moyer Marine forum and decide for yourself?

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Heed the advice about the "mile off shore" discussion.
You don't "park" in the ocean and go to sleep. A vessel in the ocean is like a shark: Keep swimming or die.
In order to keep swimming (sailing), you need to maintain a continuous watch.
Solo sailing in the ocean is something that takes experience and practice. It takes time to develop routines that allow you to safely nap and sail and maintain a lookout. Even then, there are people who declare that solo ocean sailing is illegal, and unsafe. That's a debate for another time though.

Sailing is like piano-
You can learn how to bang the keys or pull the strings in an afternoon, but you'll spend the rest of your life, perfecting the craft.

That statement is not meant to discourage you. Quite the opposite, I urge you to embrace not only sailing, but good seamanship. Take pride in mastering the skills and practices that make a good sailor. You can learn to sail for recreation quickly and safely. The more advanced levels of single-handing, and ocean sailing take a little time and experience to safely acquire, but not terribly long at all.

Yes, there are people like the Bumfuzzles who simply fell into a boat and crossed oceans successfully. The Bumfuzzles laugh at people who urge caution. There are also countless people who fell into a boat, sailed into the ocean and sent Mayday calls, begging for rescue. Some were saved, some weren't.

DFerron is also right on the subject of passengers and family-

If you're sailing solo, it's your life to waste. Be a Bumfuzzle, and have a ball.
If you're dragging family or non-sailing passengers with you, YOU are responsible for their lives. Don't be reckless and clueless with other people's lives. Make sure you have the skills necessary to sail safely and smartly with passengers and family.

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Ok, go randsail! If huck finn can do it; so can you! Have a 'lfs' time!
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Re: how much experience do I need

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"Sailing isn't rocket surgery"

That must be why so many sailboats and sailors are tied up to the dock rotting away. So easy, boring, and slow moving that nobody wants to do it. I guess the glamour of being a brain surgery beats the drudgery of being a sailor.
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