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Re: Running Speed vs Close-Hauled Speed

Here, to inspire you, is a similar era IOR influenced Pearson 28 flying along at hull speed under #1 genoa and main on a beam reach:

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Re: Running Speed vs Close-Hauled Speed

Mr. Christian, forty lashes to this man!

JW layed it out for you. It's a learning experience. No worries it will be at least 2016 before the next America's Cup so you've got time to practice!!!!


Seriously, racing other boats can get pretty frustrating. Especially if they are supposed to be slower than you. More frustrating is racing a one design race and having other boats pass you like you have a flat tire on the turnpike.

If the need for speed becomes a "thing" with you, try crewing with some of the locals on race night. A season spent on a racing boat will teach you more than you could possibly read on how to go fast, really fast with a blow boat!

Then you decide you need to buy a race boat and name it some really cool name like Hammer Lane or Game On! Pick the right name and other boats just get out of your way.
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Running vs Close-Hauled

Hey,

For me, the windspeed makes all the difference regarding my preference of running vs beating.

If the wind is under 5 kts I prefer to beat upwind. There isn't enough wind to run and even reaching is sort of slow. I can maximize the apparent wind by sailing upwind.

If the wind is around 10 kts I prefer a beam reach. There is enough wind to make the boat go fast, on a beam reach I don't much heel, and it's just fine to sail like that.

Once the wind gets above 15 kts true, it gets less fun sailing upwind and more fun sailing downwind. Upwind I will have the main reefed, and I will be going around 6 kts and the apparent wind will be around 20. The boat will be heeled over, which is fun for an hour or so, but then gets tiring. Downwind is a different story. I can sail at 120 to 150 degrees, keep boat sails full, easily reach hull speed, have no heel, and the apparent wind will be below 10, so everything seems nice and easy.

The next time you get 15 kt wind do this experiment:
Sail upwind, as close to the wind as you can. Do this for an hour. Try to do some simple things while you are sailing upwind, like make lunch, use the head, read a chart.
Then turn around and sail downwind, at around 130 degrees or so.
Try to do those same things.

Then tell us which one you prefer.

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+1 gentlemen don't beat to weather
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Perhaps not, but REAL sailors do!
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Thanks. Hanging my head in shame over the Com-pac! I do have a 150 in good shape. I have been using the 100 exclusively since my June launch. Thought it might be a good idea to learn with the smaller sail.
Not into racing, but something about a Com-pac getting smaller and smaller off the bow just isn't right..
Not to worry, if your boat's rating was re-calculated using your jib your rating would be much closer to the Com-Pac's number. When sailing down wind, sail area is king! That's why they invented spinnakers!

My least favorite point of sail is running. Given the choice I would much rather reach. Often reaching will get you downwind faster than the boat that is running DDW since you have the ability to build your apparent. You sail more distance, but you do it faster than the boat sailing the rhumb line.
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Re: Running Speed vs Close-Hauled Speed

In 8-10 kts you should absolutely be flying a 150% genoa if you want to go as quick as you can. On the other hand, if you are short-handed, new to the boat or just want something a little more relaxing, your working jib will be plenty nice to sail with, at the cost of a knot or two of top speed. I have spent the last few months just with a 115% up on the furler, I sail alone so the ease of handling overcomes the need for speed (in lighter air of course, 15kts of wind and you are at/above hull speed on a reach quite easily even with that up).
If you can't sail fast, at least try to look good, and that's easy in the 27
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About to beat a few hundred miles to weather starting this Saturday to get to Annapolis .Dont think it makes me a man. Just stupid enough to love sailing. Be more fun broad reaching.oh well.
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About to beat a few hundred miles to weather starting this Saturday to get to Annapolis .Dont think it makes me a man. Just stupid enough to love sailing. Be more fun broad reaching.oh well.
Yeah, sometimes you just don't have a choice if you want to get to your destination! It's times like that you are grateful that you know how to sail upwind, and your boat is set up to do it well. Over that kind of distance an extra 5 degrees of point makes a huge difference!

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