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Looking for a 104 Bareboat class partner(s)

I already have the 101 and 103 certs from both ASA and US Sail, plus a few summers of skippering J/24s and auxiliary powered cruisers up to 30' in the waters up to 12 miles off Boston. Most of the 104 programs I come across are a full week and geared to new sailors (instant cruiser etc). Would anyone like to go in on a standalone 2-3 day Bareboat Cruising course in Florida or the Caribbean this December? I have some vacation time to use and would like to take the money saved on not taking a full week course and put it into a few chartering days. Open for suggestions, want to build skills and keep this sailing season going...
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Re: Looking for a 104 Bareboat class partner(s)

I might seriously do that. I'm in south eastern NY. I have my own C22 and sailed for years and years but no certs.

We could talk about it. If it sounds feasible we could meet up for lunch someplace halfway between us, like Hartford.


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Re: Looking for a 104 Bareboat class partner(s)

My advice is to consider taking a full week 104 in the Virgin Islands with Black Rock Sailing School ASA Certified
You'll get the best instruction available...BRSS has been an "ASA Outstanding School" five years running.
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Re: Looking for a 104 Bareboat class partner(s)

You could also attend a 3 day course at Narragansett Sailing School. They offer a 3 day 104 certification, and are located in RI... You'll have to wait 'till spring though.
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Re: Looking for a 104 Bareboat class partner(s)

I took the 103/104 combo in July '14. Great school, great instructor, nice boat. You are in the Bolivar Roads area, and get to dodge some impressive traffic.

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We took courses from Pete Wodraska when he was at Blue Water in Lauderdale, but now he runs his own school in Panama City, with branch in Key Largo. Could not have been happier.

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Re: Looking for a 104 Bareboat class partner(s)

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My advice is to consider taking a full week 104 in the Virgin Islands with Black Rock Sailing School ASA Certified
You'll get the best instruction available...BRSS has been an "ASA Outstanding School" five years running.
I'm really interested in this for 4 people as an alternative to a vacation/cruise. Does anybody do these courses for a cheaper price?

At $2500 per week x4 people +gratuity +flights it is getting a little "excessive" for a learning vacation.

There must be someone willing to do this for half that price.
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I'm really interested in this for 4 people as an alternative to a vacation/cruise. Does anybody do these courses for a cheaper price?

At $2500 per week x4 people +gratuity +flights it is getting a little "excessive" for a learning vacation.

There must be someone willing to do this for half that price.
Here is an alternative;
FIRST: figure out where you want to go to learn to sail
SECOND: decide when you want to go
THIRD: pick a boat that will comfortably hold you, your crew mates, and an instructor (this should range from ~$3K-~$8K [here are CYOA's rates http://www.cyoacharters.com/rates.asp] depending on the boat and time)
FOURTH: hire an ASA / US Sailing instructor directly for that week (here is a resource; American Sailing Association - Instructors Seeking Jobs)

You might save 15%. You will also be responsible for anything and everything that does not go according to plan.

Note that you will NOT get ASA / US Sailing certified, but you will get a sailing resume attested to by a certified instructor, and a reference.

By attending a school that offers lessons where you want to go, you avoid any of the potential headaches, you have "one throat to choke," and you will get the certification.
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Re: Looking for a 104 Bareboat class partner(s)

I appreciate that you consider your time/skills/boat to be worth that much...I personally don't think it is worth $12-5k for one week of training to get 4 people to bareboat cruising level.

If there was someone doing this for half that cost I could guess they would be constantly busy, I wonder how busy these schools are that are charging $2500 pp per week...if they are fully booked, more power to them...if so I guess it isn't for me.

No wonder so many cruisers don't bother with training.
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Re: Looking for a 104 Bareboat class partner(s)

I'm not offering you anything more than free advice. I am only trying to point you in the right direction.

Figure it this way; what do you make per week? The instructor's time and skill is certainly worth the same. In addition, realize that the instructor is with you and the boat for 24 hours of the time that you are with him/her, so the point could be made that on an hourly basis the instructor would be making 1/3 of your hourly rate. Now, add to that the cost of a bareboat charter for you, your party and the instructor.

Whether it is, or is not, worth it to you is up for you to decide. I suspect, however, that you may have trouble finding a charter, or have to buy additional insurance, without the certification or a sailing resume and reference.
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