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Old 12-15-2006
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Really too many boats fit that description. Go see Jerry Moulder at JM Yachts and he will find what you want and you will have fun in the process. Jerry has no idea who pigslo is but if you mention the Heritage 36 he will tell you what an idiot I am first hand.
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Jerry has no idea who pigslo is but if you mention the Heritage 36 he will tell you what an idiot I am first hand.
It may be worth going to talk to Jerry just to hear about the Heritage 36...
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I have a DS yachts 20 and even though she's old, there's plenty of room to sleep and the retractable centerboard makes her great for gunkholing. Plus I found it really easy to learn to sail as there's not a lot of complicated...well anything on this boat. A word of caution though; If you get one of these be prepared to be made fun of by all the old buggers in your harbour at first. That is until you take 'em out in some heavier winds and scare the pants off of them.
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Really too many boats fit that description. Go see Jerry Moulder at JM Yachts and he will find what you want and you will have fun in the process. Jerry has no idea who pigslo is but if you mention the Heritage 36 he will tell you what an idiot I am first hand.
JM Yachts? I think that's right next to Bay Area Sailing School, where I'm taking the class. If I have time I'll pop in.
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Small world...eh?
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I've been looking at some of the boats and guidelines suggested, and have three in mind.

As far as learning to sail is concerned, would I be at a real disadvantage in a 5000 lbs 26' vs. a 2100 lbs. 22', or even a 1600 lbs 18'?
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Did you say "small?" Don't overlook a nice used Catalina Capri 18
2'4" (inseam deep) draft, 425 pound lead wing keel with 45 pound battery on top (very early 1986 or so models had 2'0" shoal draft non-wing keel)
1500 pound displacement
Meets level floatation requirements for under 20' boats
Tiller steered
Earlier models came with hanked on 100% jib, and cabin-top leads and winches (cloth cabin cushions). Later models came with roller-furled 135% genoa and cockpit leads and winches (vinyl cabin cushions, as well as anchor and deck lights).
6'10" long cockpit seats with cockpit locker and fuel locker large enough for a 6 gallon tank AND six-pack cooler
Cabin seats 4 adults on quarter berths to get out of the rain, etc.
Lined storage under quarter berths
Two 7-1/2 foot long quarter-berths with filler cushions to convert them into an athwartships double bed.
5 foot long v-berth for kids or storage.
48 quart cooler stows under companionway
2.8 gallon Sani-Pottie
Shorter length = lower cost bottom paint and slip fee
Sailed from California to Hawaii by Shane St. Clair
Most came on Trail-Rite trailer with extending tongue

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One more line of boats for you to consider: the Oday trailer sailer line: the 22, 23 and 25. Each of them meets your criteria. The 23 and 25 have a couple of unique features. Both have a stub keel/centerboard configuration. Unlike the Catalinas, the ballast is in the stub keel, not the swinging centerboard. I think this is a safer, less maintenance intensive set up. Also, both models have the head behind an actual door, not a curtain or screen. The later 22's also have the stub keel/centerboard (earlier version have just the stub keel), but not all have the head behind a door. You may not care too much about the head arrangement, but believe me, it was a BIG selling point for the Admiral.
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Partially depends on where the weight is located. Generally speaking, I'd like a lighter boat as she'll handle much more briskly. Jeff had some interesting posts in here a while back on the subject.
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Welllll....
Maybe I'll just get a laser/sunfish/force 5 to learn on. There are lots of those around the city for under $600. I'll learn on that and just crew on those big 18' boats.
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