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Yes, you should. The windward sheet should be slack; if it drapes across a lifeline it's ok. The sheets inboard will allow you to point higher. When running there is much less strain on the sheets ans some contact with the lifelines will be acceptable. You'll probably re-position your fairlead so as to eliminate it anyway in pursuit of sail shape. I'll bet you're having trouble tacking smoothly with the sheets led outside the lifelines. Yes?
I haven't noticed that problem.
It doesn't point up as close as I'd like, however. It tacks through more than 90 degrees. Would running the sheets inside help with that?
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The further inboard that you can fairlead your sheets, in general, the finer you can trim your jib. If you cannot trim your jib in tight, pointing will suffer. Giulietta has probably done more "research" on this than anyone here actually in possession of a life. It is not at all uncommon for additional tracks to be added to achieve a finer angle on the jib. Racers pay obsessively close attention to this detail. Giulietta would tear his whole deck off if he thought he could gain a better lead on his jib, but then, if you consult your sailnetdictionary/thesaurus under "racer" you'll see his smiling face. You might PM him, just to rattle his cage, and get his input. He'll draw you diagrams. If you have a photo of your deck layout he'll be able to give you specific advise. I would strongly advise you that the photo should only be of the deck layout, containing no images of human beings or animals you may have affection for. Please do not ask me why.
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The further inboard that you can fairlead your sheets, in general, the finer you can trim your jib. If you cannot trim your jib in tight, pointing will suffer. Giulietta has probably done more "research" on this than anyone here actually in possession of a life. It is not at all uncommon for additional tracks to be added to achieve a finer angle on the jib. Racers pay obsessively close attention to this detail. Giulietta would tear his whole deck off if he thought he could gain a better lead on his jib, but then, if you consult your sailnetdictionary/thesaurus under "racer" you'll see his smiling face. You might PM him, just to rattle his cage, and get his input. He'll draw you diagrams. If you have a photo of your deck layout he'll be able to give you specific advise. I would strongly advise you that the photo should only be of the deck layout, containing no images of human beings or animals you may have affection for. Please do not ask me why.
The fairlead track on mine is on the toerail, and and I don't intend to mess with that any time soon. My question is, even if the fairlead is on the toerail, would the boat point up better if the sheets go inside the lifelines?
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The fairlead track on mine is on the toerail, and and I don't intend to mess with that any time soon. My question is, even if the fairlead is on the toerail, would the boat point up better if the sheets go inside the lifelines?

Yes, the boat will point better if the sheets go inside the lifelines. Ideally, when going to wind, you'd want the sail pulled in far enough to be inside the lifelines, which couldn't be done, with the sheets on the outside. I have track just inside the rail and on the cabin top. I use the cabin top lead blocks with a small jib or the storm sail, enabling me to crank the jib close enough that I can literally be within 5 degrees of the wind. I also have some short track and blocks on the rail in the aft corners, for use with the spinnaker.

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And the boat would point even better if you used a barberhauler to bring the sheets even further inboard when sailing close-hauled.

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The fairlead track on mine is on the toerail, and and I don't intend to mess with that any time soon. My question is, even if the fairlead is on the toerail, would the boat point up better if the sheets go inside the lifelines?
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And the boat would point even better if you used a barberhauler to bring the sheets even further inboard when sailing close-hauled.
What be a barberhauler, matey?
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A barberhauler is a block the genoa sheet goes through that is used to pull the tack of the sail further in-board than the genoa track would allow by itself. The simplest way to rig one is to use a snatch block that is lead in-board of the genoa track. This allows you to sheet the genoa tighter and allows the boat to point a bit higher than it would without the use of a barberhauler.
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A barberhauler is a block the genoa sheet goes through that is used to pull the tack of the sail's tack further in-board than the genoa track would allow by itself. The simplest way to rig one is to use a snatch block that is lead in-board of the genoa track. This allows you to sheet the genoa tighter and allows the boat to point a bit higher than it would without the use of a barberhauler.
What be the tack of the sail's tack?
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Just curious - does anyone have photos of these rigs for headsails that are mentioned in this thread?

I just bought my first sailboat, a Lancer Yachts 28 Mk III and the previous owner stripped the decks clear each time it was hauled for the season so I am left dumbfounded as how to route the headsail sheets.

Right now, I am flying a 120 with the sheets routed outboard of the shrouds and then following back to a single block on the toe rail and then to the winches. I could easilly re-route these sheets inboard, but not sure how far back they need to go. There are deck rails from the factory just under the spreaders on each side of the cabin, but don't look like they were ever used.

I can take photos of anything that may be of assistance to the experts here; just let me know what you need.

Thanks for any help here guys.
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