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Moving up from Optis

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What do most people move out of from Optis? The students we have are outgrowing them. We have some 420's which at this point we can teach on, but are too big for many of them. Will a Sunfish serve as a good intermediate boat? I have asked around and gotten many answers locally, but if anyone could lend me their opinion, I would appreciate it.

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I'd go with a Laser, rather than a Sunfish. The Laser is a bit more advanced, and will be a boat they grow into... also a Sunfish is lateen rigged, and the Laser is sloop rigged. They're about the same size, and when they're younger, you can have them sail the Lasers in pairs, and then solo when they get older. This will also teach them good teamwork skills, which a Sunfish won't do as well.

If the Laser is a bit too much, you might look at the Laser Radial, which has a smaller sailplan.

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How about the Bic O'Pens?

They look great and are designed as an intermediate boat between Optis and Lasers.

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How about the Bic O'Pens?

They look great and are designed as an intermediate boat between Optis and Lasers.
YES!!!!!!!!!

Buy this guy a drink...man has brains. They are becoming very very popular here

http://www.openbic.com/

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If you go to http://www.jsalis.org/ (Junior Sailing Association of Long Island Sound) and click on "Boat Classes", they are showing Optis to age 15 (different fleet classes), Pixels 11-18, Blue Jay's 12-18, Laser's and Laser Radials 14-18 and Club 420's 14-18. I'm fairly certain most US based Junior Sailing Associations have similar recommendations, but not 100% sure. I would check into what your closest junior sailing association recommends and run with that (to maximize your student's racing opportunities).

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Here is something from a local (NC) high school program:

Racing is done in 420's, a 14-foot, double handed boat which is the boat of choice for high school and collegiate sailing in the U.S.

As others have said, see what is available and used locally. The local parks here rent Sunfish and have teen Sunfish racing instruction. Personally, I think a Laser is probably a better boat, but might choose the Sunfish because of the popularity locally or the 420 for serious team racing. But that's here.
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Thanks for everyone's input. Those Open Bics look interesting. I think I saw one on the bay a few weeks ago and but at the time I did not recognize it.
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There's a lot involved with selecting a good boat to learn on. Optis are great for learning independence and being responsible for getting one's self into and out of trouble. Lasers are a step up, but are still too much for the standard sized 14-year old to handle optimally in many weather conditions. (Thus the Laser Radial). A singlehanded boat with one sail can not help teach kids about working as a team, or about handling jibs or spinnakers. The suggestion to look at the JYALIS website is a good one, but it fails to mention that the 30-some clubs that belong to that organization spent YEARS looking for a replacement for the venerable Blue Jay (a Sparkman & Stevens design from the 1930's). They selected the Pixel based on a number of criteria. Two (or three) crew means learning teamwork. Jib and spinnaker mean learning sailhandling skills. A planing centerboarder means learning how to make a boat perform, bringing in teamwork again for things like roll tacking and spinnaker gybes. A stable hull form means not worrying about easily capsizing while you're learning (UNLIKE the 420), while a self-draining cockpit and flotation in the hull and mast make the boat easy to right if it does capsize and unsinkable. These are all factors worth considering, and you can probably think of more that pertain specifically to you and the boat you end up selecting. There's plenty of homework and research to do before you decide. A fleet of boats that already exists - like Sunfish, for example - can be a good starting point, but that shouldn't be the sole criteria. There are a lot of different designs out there that might suit your needs better. It's up to you to decide what your goals are and how to best meet them.
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