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I wonder though, with 58 kt of wind, and a 36 ft ship with a big mainsail, the purists are reluctant to use the motor. Those same purists will think nothing of motoring to weather to put the sails up, yet won't motor to weather and want try to sail out of a 58 kt gusting squall with two sails.

70 mph wind speed, 750 square feet of sail.......AAAaaaarrrrrgggghhhh !!!!

Die !!!!!

A wind speed like that will blow the 10 ton ship flat in seconds if you get it remotely wrong. You will have too much sail out, the headsail will be a great big wind trap and far too big, flapping itself to death ($2000), and the main is waiting for the same treatment ($2500). Add those up and you can have two motors.

58 kt is awful, and a ship lying on its side in 58 kt is worse.

Practice that in light airs certainly, but the moment that cloud approaches, start that motor, build some speed, turn off weather to shadow headsail, let it go, roll it up like crazy, standby mainsheet, hard over, hold the bow just off weather, pull mainsheet like crazy, kill that main, and leave the purists to their contradictions and their bank managers.

You must be talking dingy sailing here. Getting the sails down on a bigger boat in 58 kt would be very difficult without the motor, and you would only get one swing at it without that motor, and it will be noisy, sails flapping and commands will be difficult to hear.

I must be missing something here.
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Just curious as to where you gto the 58 knots of wind?? No one else was talking about storm conditions...
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Yea, pay attention... 5th posting.

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Ah, that's right, C27Shockwave brought it up... BTW, I don't think that the auxilliary motor on my boat would have the power to bring the boat head-to-wind in 58 knots of wind.. it's only 20 HP. I doubt the engines on most sailboats, which tend to be a bit underpowered, would be able to bring them head to wind with any success either. YMMV.
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Rock...yeah. Tayana 52 ketch. Long shoal fin keel & skeg hung rudder. Perry design (and acknowledged by him! LOL) Thee are more shots of her in the gallery.
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52 feet. ....!!!!!

Would you swing it round under sail into a 94 kt squall, or would you use the twin Volvo 750 hp turbos ?
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I don't think Cam has twin 750 HP turbo diesels on his boat.. I also don't think he'd be out in a 94 knot wind with it...
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Of course, one big advantage of having a ketch is that you don't need the engines to come up into the wind.

If you happen to have the mizzen up at the time, just haul down the main and the boat should round up all by itself - and if it has a long keel, would probably sit there nicely head-to-wind with the headsails flapping waiting for you to finish off your last mug of cocoa before going forward to drop them.
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Rockter...Nah..I just push the button on my electric winch and transform into a power boat!! (g)

Actually...in heavy wind I do EXACTLY what I said above in post #3 and it works. I have never not been able to bring the main to center ...you simply have to steer the boat to a position where it is ABOUT to jibe an then reel it in a bit as you fall off again and repeat as necessary. No power winch or great strength needed.... But opinions seem to vary so I guess you have to try what works on your boat.

Since you are closer than me...will you give these guys a kick in the arse...they are off to a rough start!!
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