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You mentioned difficulty in getting her to head up. If you haven't reefed the main in time, nor "reefed" the jib or switched to a smaller one, you'll end up with lee helm in the puffs. Why? Because you let your main all the way out, completely luffing, to keep the boat on her feet so she doesn't heel too much (gentle hint: it's "heel" not "keel").

The result is a luffing main and a full jib, too much center of effort forward, lee helm, won't head up, so you can't luff the jib with just the tiller, you have to let it out (or trim the main back in) to restore neutral or weather helm. If you're heading downwind, the lee helm will diminish, and you can broad reach with just jib and no main just fine. But you can't go upwind that way, and you were trying to claw your way off a lee shore, so you needed the main.

This is why I favor reducing headsail size first, 'cause it's harder to do after the wind and seas pick up, while reefing the main can usually be done safely even if it's screeching, as long as you still have some headsail to close-reach with during the process. Also, if the roller reef/furling turntable is going to jam, I'd rather know it at 18 knots than at 28.

All things considered, for a beginner you did okay. Keep it up, you learn something each time.
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I appreciate all of the input so far. It's nice to have the collective experience of so many shared here.
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Nolatom You said that so very well!! I finally understand the dynamic! I have found it is ALWAYS easier to shake out a reefed sail then tie it in under diminissing conditions. REEF REEF REEF!
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err... dee min ish ing = deminishing duh
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err... dee min ish ing = deminishing duh
Actually denise it's di-min-ish-ing = diminishing

spelling's not my best trait either.
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I'd really like to sneak one more sail in tomorrow -- but the forecast is 27mph average. *sigh*
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With a ketch rig - raise sail from stern to stem, furl from stem to stern. Piece of cake.
Actually, I believe this is true of almost any rig... sloop, ketch, yawl, or schooner.
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I'd really like to sneak one more sail in tomorrow -- but the forecast is 27mph average. *sigh*
Being on land and wishing you were out on the water is always preferable to being out on the water and wishing you were on land.
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When to Reef

We try to sail as if we had no engine and when using the engine be ready if it should fail. I have even killed the engine on occasion to see how we would manage. We just encountered 20 ft seas with shor periods in the Med and we were stopped dead in our tracks at 1 knt over grnd with 40knts wind on the nose. We reversed course and steered NW for shelter and still had a challenge in the following seas. Autopilot was off and we hand steered. We knew we had ten or twelve hours before we could get out of it. Nobody wanted any more of it than required. Sorry for this lengthy story, but it makes the point that if it's bad it can really get worse with just a few mishaps. Nibiruwayne
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1) Count yourself lucky nothing really bad happened.
2) You now know why to pay attention to conditions, the first time you think of reefing just do it.

If you are going hull speed in 15 knots, and it picks up to 20, exactly what are you gaining by not reducing sail? Sometimes you'll reef and actually see an increase in boat speed. Reefing is good, not bad. My boat likes it's first reef someplace between 15 and 18 knots.

The weather helm of the boat will tell you what to do, once your traveler is far to lee and there is still significant weather helm you better reef. You should always be sailing with under 5 degrees weather helm on most boats, 3 is more ideal for most I think. Otherwise you are actually slowing your boat down. for most boats if the rail is in the water you are sailing slower than you could be.

Once you put your first reef in experiment with balancing the boat with the roller furler. Heres' the basic idea to control weather helm in rough order.

1) traveler - move to leeward to relieve weather helm. usually start doing this around 10 knots.
2) main/genny - depower by flattening sails (tighter sheets, tighter boom vang, tighter outhaul, tighter halyards) generally done in 10-15 knots
3) main - add twist (ease sheet/boomvang in right combination) to spill air off the top of the sail
4) reef main
5) reef genny about 20-30%
6) repeat 4 and 5 in alternation until you are sailing on bare poles, then..
7) panic.
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