Flattening the sail when reefing... - Page 3

blt2ski · #21 10-31-2007

Interesting indeedee! My single line is similar to Alex's drawing, EXCEPT that the line comes out of the side of the forward part of the boom, aft of the reef cringle, thru then to a what was a padeye, now a cheek block along the mast, down to a block at the base of the mast, back to cockpit atop of cabin top. Works well as long as things do not jam up, like last weekend when the leech line tied around the reef line, and it would not go down all the way. Or a month ago when we did not support the mast with the topping lift, then things break, ala the padeye that was on the mast, now a small cheek block!

I do find a seperate reef rope tying the aft end of the sail to the boom seems to work best, but it still works with out when set properly.

Marty

T37Chef · #22 10-31-2007

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Originally Posted by Giulietta

T,,here ya go

Here is a stupid simple system that allows triming....with 2 lines

And another stupid simple system with one line...only requires you put a foot block at the mast!!

Thanks all, I got it now, but...now for question #3...how would one apply this set up if you have two or (in my case) three reef points? Does one use the same set up but just another set of lines? Ummm.

blt2ski · #23 10-31-2007

I have been told to setup another reef line personally, altho for me, it is only two reefs in a single line setup..........so a bit easier than your three! Especially if you go with three reefs!

marty

Giulietta · #24 10-31-2007

I have 2 reef point and only hve the lower one set up to go...only used twice so I have the lower one.

If you antecipate sailing the Horn, put the lines on the upper one, if not, if you just sail around on the week ends in nice weather, just use the lower one.

No one normally uses the 2 reef lines installed..very few do. and very few boats come equiped with 2 reef lines nowadays, except some boats.

sailingdog · #25 10-31-2007

blt2ski-

You might want to read about why two-line reefing systems and why they're better than a single line reefing system... HERE

Hartley18 · #26 10-31-2007

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Originally Posted by T37Chef

Thanks all, I got it now, but...now for question #3...how would one apply this set up if you have two or (in my case) three reef points? Does one use the same set up but just another set of lines? Ummm.

One would run another set of lines for a second reef.. but to handle three reefs, most undo the #1 reef and thread it through the #3 reef cringles when you've got #2 on the boom... In this case, single-line reefing with two reefing horns (sometimes called a "rams horn") is a better idea than the single-line (continous) reefing set-up shown in Giu's post because you don't have so much line to re-thread though everything in a half-gale.

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Originally Posted by Giulietta

No one normally uses the 2 reef lines installed..very few do. and very few boats come equiped with 2 reef lines nowadays, except some boats.

Alex, I know English isn't your first language (and you do very well, my friend

)... but that statement makes absolutely no sense at all!.

sailingdog · #27 11-01-2007

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Originally Posted by Hartley18

Alex, I know English isn't your first language (and you do very well, my friend

)... but that statement makes absolutely no sense at all!.

He's saying that most manufacturers don't set the boat up with a two-line reefing system. You have to speak "crazy portagee" to understand Giu.

Then again, most manufacturers don't really set the boat up with a one-line reefing system, since most leave the boat setup to reef at the mast, rather than running the reefing lines back to the cockpit, and use a tack hook for the tack reefing cringle.

Giulietta · #28 11-01-2007

Hartley...you have to excuse my English, its not as good as you may think.

Add that to a nice dinner and an excellent wine, and it loses on translation...

However....we have a saying in my Country that says roughly:

" for a good understander, half the sentence is enough"...

And what I meant is exactly what the SD explained...I guess you're new here, and he has more experience and contact with me than you have, but in time you will learn to understand what I want to say...or don't want to say.....

Now, if I spoke Portuguese, I would make myself clear....but most of you guys wouldn't understand didly squat!! (VBG)

sailingfool · #29 11-01-2007

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Originally Posted by Hartley18

One would run another set of lines for a second reef.. but to handle three reefs, most undo the #1 reef and thread it through the #3 reef cringles when you've got #2 on the boom...

When a third reef is called for (i.e storm conditions), I don't think you want to be trying to re-run and tie a new reefing line at the end of the boom. Given by definition that the conditions would be very rough, it would be a formula for disaster to expect to do that.

As to T37chef's , hopefully his boat has provision for a permanent third reef line, are there four sheaves at the end off the boom (outhaul plus three reefing lines)?. My CS 36T has, but as the third reefing line is very, very long, so I do not keep it rigged, two reefs are enough for coastal cruising. Should I head my boat offshore, I would re-install the third reef line so it is ready for use.

tenuki · #30 11-01-2007

When I ordered sails recently the North Sails guy was like, well, we can put in a second reef if you want, but... why? I asked him to do it anyway. Third reef would be a bit much in Puget Sound I think.