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I was a small boat engineer and public affairs specialist (spokesman) in the Coast Guard so while my own experience is limited I draw on decades of other peoples mistakes to keep me safe.

Ahhh then with all that "experience" and all those years...you're just plain safe....it's second nature to you....

I once met a guy...he worked at a driving shcool for 32 years...32!!!!!!

Can you imagine???? He died in a car accident....why??? why?? everyone asked.....

I mean...a guy that worked 32 years in a driving school....dies in a car accident...and it was his fault too....

well....he was the guy that made the copies for 12 years, spent another 10 as a clerk, and the last 10 years as an assistant to the CEO....

but he had 32 years "expereince" in a driving school....but never been on the training car.....

kinda like you......

don't like what I am saying??? sorry that's the way I am...I say what I mean honestely...

go sail with someone first to show you...or if you want to....do it alone

DON't drag the innocent wife a daughter to this....not fair on them...it's presuming on friendship....

want to get hurt do it alone.
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North sails has a great tape on sail shape including spinnakers. Mine is a cruising boat so I don't have 7 people on deck to handle my spinnaker. Most would call it a cruising chute. No pole ,attaches to the base of the furler one sheet back to the cockpit and a dousing sock. Pretty simple, when it comes out, it blocks out the sun. Great for cruising in one direction for days at a time, sucks for racing.
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Unfortunately, you can only learn so much from other people's mistakes, and there is a point where first-hand experience is just necessary. Being a smallboat engineer doesn't mean much if none of that experience was on sailboats. Being a PR flack means even less, regardless of who you're a flack for.

The reason I've asked about whether it is a symmetric spinnaker or an asymmetric is that they're often handled very differently. I have an asym cruising chute on my boat, and it is flown on its own wire-luff furler, but could have been flown as Funsailthekeys describes, on a tacker with it attached around the furled headsail. I fly it without a pole and often use it single handed... but flying a symmetric spinnaker with a pole is not something you'll want to do without at least one person with some experience of flying one. Handling the pole alone is something that takes some getting used to...breaking, gybing and making the pole connections takes a good bowman at a minimum, if not a person in the cockpit handling the spinnaker sheets.

You have yet to mention whether it is a symmetric or asymmetric spinnaker. You haven't mentioned whether you'll be using a spinnaker pole or not. If you don't know the difference, you really need to get someone who has a clue to help you with it...
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Ahhh then with all that "experience" and all those years...you're just plain safe....it's second nature to you....
I think I was misunderstood, which is disappointing from a fellow Portagee. I did not say I rely on other peoples experience, I said I draw on other peoples experience.

The last thing I want to do, especially on this board, is to appear arrogant.

I am, as I said, clueless about sailing. By the standards here I am fairly clueless about boat stuff in general.

What's unique about me is a vast dis-proportion between knowledge and experience.

The interesting window I got as a press person was that I learned that catastrophe is usually preceded by small errors in judgment rather than large stupid blunders. That observation makes me paranoid.

So, with no real experience and the history of far wiser people than me who came home in an H60 or not at all, I worry constantly about what small error in judgment might contribute to my death.
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You have yet to mention whether it is a symmetric or asymmetric spinnaker. You haven't mentioned whether you'll be using a spinnaker pole or not. If you don't know the difference, you really need to get someone who has a clue to help you with it...
How's this for clueless- I haven't taken it out of the bag and I didn't get any info from the PO.

I have a pole, I assume that's what I'll use.
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Are you Portuguese? Where are you? In Portugal?

Anyway..look, I am sorry I was hard....it's just that lately...ohh never mind...


look...there is nothing to it to fly a spi, its somewhat more complex with a symetrical than with an assymetrical. Which one do you have?

The thing is..just like riding a bike or skating, you will not learn from seeing others...you really need to do it yourself...I understand you wanting to do it, but it would be way better if you actually went on a boat and did it with them, or had someone that knows how to do it and show you on your boat...

It can be a little scary for you (which will ruin the fun for you and your family) if you screw it up...it can actually hrt you, besides getting you wet.

Do this...go on the boat, take someone that has sailed before, and fly the spi with no other sail in service...that's right...sail with the spi only...see what and how it goes...you only have to worry with one sail...sail around a little....

Once you master it, and can forsee and predict what it does...get the main...the hoist the spi....
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And I think you provided the answer I was looking for. I had been told it can be tricky and that i should have it demonstrated for me. But I also figured the light winds expected this weekend would be an ideal time to try. Unfortunately, I don't have anyone available to bring along. So the question was, 'can i fumble through this without endangering any lives given my meager knowledge and experience which I was attempting to make clear to everyone so an appropriate answer could be formed.
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Where do you sail out of?? North Carolina?? My boat's down in Fairhaven. If you were local, I'd volunteer to be bowman for your spinny initiation.
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As you can tell by the comments, most people fear spins. They really are a great sail and not to be feared in reasonable winds. I am confident that everything will go well if you think about what you are doing. You can always just let the sheet go! For that matter, you should never cleat the sheet, always have it in hand so you can let it go!.
I probably have the dubious honour of flying the largest spinnaker of anyone here on Sailnet. My ship HMCS Oriole had a light airs kite that was more than 8000 square feet. Can anyone beat that?

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Hey...can't beat that in Portugal...it's probably one of the most popular names...

Take the sail off the bag and see if it is an assymetrical or a symetrical. You will need to know this before anything, because they rig differentely.

The assymetrical will have a "shorter" leg, (clew) and a longer "leg" the tack...while the symetrical will be exactly the same size on both sides.

Once you have identified that come back and let us know...
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