self taught spinaker handling - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Skills and Seamanship > Learning to Sail
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree1Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 05-23-2008
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 171
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
hertfordnc is on a distinguished road
self taught spinaker handling

The conditions this weekend are perfect to try the spinnaker. I've read several step-by-step pages. It seems pretty straightforward but just to be prudent;

What are the most likely places where a novice can damage people or gear?

I think i'm a competent boater, line handling, safety, navigation, etc but i'm pretty clueless about the actual sailing part.

thanks
__________________
In over my head?
First Boat, a well-equipped 1977 Camper Nicholson 31
What is all this stuff and how does it work?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #2  
Old 05-23-2008
Plumper's Avatar
Sailor
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Vancouver Island
Posts: 845
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 7
Plumper is on a distinguished road
The person at greatest risk is likely the guy on the foredeck hoisting the sail and setting the pole. He is pretty easy to knock over board or hit with the spin pole. He should be careful.
The gear risk is getting the sheets in the screw. Make sure the sheets are under control all the time.
Make sure you have lots of sea room for your first hoist just in case it takes a while for you to get it down.
Really there is nothing to flying a spin in reasonable winds. Two corners are supported by poles (The head and one clew) and you sheet with the other clew. Square it off to the wind and go for it! It will eventually be your favourite sail, guaranteed!
__________________
There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
Shakespeare, Julius Caesar IV, iii, 217
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #3  
Old 05-23-2008
sailingdog's Avatar
Telstar 28
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,291
Thanks: 0
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 13
sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice
Hertford-

What an honest and brutal self-assessment.

Is this an asymmetrical spinnaker or a symmetrical spinnaker? Are you using a pole?

The biggest danger is probably a spinnaker induced broach and knockdown. The second biggest danger is an accidental gybe. When learning to sail with a spinnaker... try sailing on a broad reach or run, rather than closer to DDW. That reduces the accidental gybe risk.

A Camper Nicholson 31 is a pretty good boat, and will help keep you out of trouble IMHO. Some boats are far more squirrelly and will tend to help get you into trouble under a kite.

Just remember, if it feels like the spinnaker is going to knock the boat down or cause it to broach...let go of the active sheet and then recover the spinnaker after things get back under control.

P.S. Plumper's advice is geared towards a symmetrical spinnaker... and his point about getting the sheets tangled around the screw is a valid one, but if you're not motor sailing, not too much of a risk if you sail with the prop locked.
__________________
Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4  
Old 05-23-2008
Faster's Avatar
Just another Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Westminster, BC
Posts: 14,931
Thanks: 75
Thanked 214 Times in 206 Posts
Rep Power: 10
Faster has a spectacular aura about Faster has a spectacular aura about Faster has a spectacular aura about
As a beginning spinnaker user, avoid trying to fly the spinnaker in heavy air, obviously, but also avoid trying it in extremely light conditions. Keeping a chute flying in the lightest conditions is a challenge for even an experienced crew, and trying to do that as a beginner will simply frustrate you.

With a nice 8-10 knots of breeze, try your first hoist on a comfortable broad reach. You can hoist from the pulpit or, as we have taken to, hoist from the leeward rail midway between the bow and mast. Be sure your halyards, sheets and pole lines are all run free and not crossed over with others, lifelines, pulpit rails etc. I'd suggest you practice hoists and takedowns on the same tack before trying to gybe, that way you can quickly douse the sail if things go wrong later.

As mentioned, have plenty of sea room initially, esp for your first attempts to gybe. Ultimately the driver has the most influence on how the gybe goes, for two reasons... first he should keep the boat "under" the sail, and secondly from his/her vantage point any potential snags and problems should be immediately visible, so you can coach the crew past the snag.

Make sure you talk all aspects through before attempting the gybe (and not just the first time either)

The spinnaker can be a very rewarding sail to use, but seems always poised to catch the careless and unaware at the worst time. This is why taking the sail down should be second nature - when it has to happen it has to happen cleanly and quickly.

As far as sheets in the prop, this usually occurs when the sail has been stowed and the motor started up after the finish or heading into port. If the sheets are not all "stowed/secured" too that's when the engine may suddenly stop !
__________________
Ron

1984 Fast/Nicholson 345 "FastForward"

".. there is much you could do at sea with common sense.. and very little you could do without it.."
Capt G E Ericson (from "The Cruel Sea" by Nicholas Monsarrat)
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #5  
Old 05-23-2008
merlin2375's Avatar
*starboard*
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 495
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
merlin2375 will become famous soon enough
I agree with the above stuff, just had a few things to add.

You should think hard about what procedure you will use to set the spinnaker and then what procedure you will use to douse it. What will you do first, how will you rig it before launching it, who will do what, etc, etc. There's a lot of stuff to do and it's nice to know what the steps are and who on your crew will play what role

Second, the way the spinnaker is packed can make a big difference in how easy the set goes. Make sure it's packed correctly and that you kind of have idea of how it's going to come out of the bag.

Third, how will you deal with the spinnaker if it has a twist in it.

Last just to second what Faster said, try and find a relatively stable day weather wise.

Last, last...do you belong to a club or know other sailors? Maybe you could invite someone to go out with you the first time you fly the spinnaker to learn from them
__________________
I sail.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #6  
Old 05-23-2008
sailingdog's Avatar
Telstar 28
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,291
Thanks: 0
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 13
sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice
One quick question... are you flying the spinnaker with a sock or other dousing aid??
__________________
Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #7  
Old 05-23-2008
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 171
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
hertfordnc is on a distinguished road
- forecast for the Sound this weekend, NNE 9kts. We're going South.

- there is no sock, it's just in a bag.

- I was advised to try it with adult supervision and I am not unwilling to do that but the conditions Saturday are very good.

- I have a somewhat limited crew- wife and daughter look to me for guidance so they're pretty screwed
__________________
In over my head?
First Boat, a well-equipped 1977 Camper Nicholson 31
What is all this stuff and how does it work?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #8  
Old 05-23-2008
sailingdog's Avatar
Telstar 28
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,291
Thanks: 0
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 13
sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice
PFDs all around... and i feel sorry for the wife and daughter... they've got the bar set pretty low....
__________________
Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #9  
Old 05-23-2008
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 171
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
hertfordnc is on a distinguished road
I was a small boat engineer and public affairs specialist (spokesman) in the Coast Guard so while my own experience is limited I draw on decades of other peoples mistakes to keep me safe.
__________________
In over my head?
First Boat, a well-equipped 1977 Camper Nicholson 31
What is all this stuff and how does it work?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #10  
Old 05-23-2008
sailingdog's Avatar
Telstar 28
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,291
Thanks: 0
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 13
sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice
Hertford-

Who's going to be on the spin pole?? and is it an asym or sym spin?
__________________
Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Single handling on Lake Michigan to UP landwhale General Discussion (sailing related) 11 07-15-2007 06:30 PM
Looking for info on handling under power... Alta Seamanship & Navigation 4 11-19-2002 02:48 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:11 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.