Docking instruction - Page 2 - SailNet Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 19 Old 04-28-2009 Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Cromwell CT
Posts: 61
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Lots of great advice, I've asked our dealer to see if they can find someone to tutor us for a few hours.

Dick, how different would a bulb keel (ours has a 5'1" draft) react than a fin keel, there would be less drag, right? And wouldn' that mean it would be more responsive quicker? We have feathering prop I wasn't sure what your initials LH or RH stood for. ARe the feathering props less responsive than a fixed 3 blade?
nika44 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 19 Old 04-28-2009
Senior Member
 
imagine2frolic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,830
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 7
 
http://www.cruising.sailingcourse.com/docking.htm

This might help.....i2f

20 MPH ain't fast unless, you do it in a 1000sq 3/2 house on 10foot waves
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


BORROWED, No single one of us is as smart as all of us!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
imagine2frolic is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #13 of 19 Old 04-28-2009
Oday30!
 
deniseO30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bristol pa
Posts: 6,914
Thanks: 55
Thanked 125 Times in 114 Posts
Rep Power: 10
   
I really enjoyed this thread I started back in Aug 07
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/seaman...-watching.html

I still make every time I dock a "practice session" Saturday night not being the exception. It was low tide at the state marina where the free pump out is. Of course the pump out is alongside the public ramp and the drunked up power boaters were have fun trying to zoom onto their respective trailers. One decided to play chicken with my Oday 30 as we approached dead slow. Already anticipating the inevitable, I had to come to a dead stop as ego man decided to show everyone that he could show that lady on the sailboat who was the hot shot! I knew we wouldn't, but to everyone else it looked like my boat would have t-boned the 15ft or so powerboat that cut right in front and along side between the dock and my boat. geeze.. anyway Mr. ego helped tie the bow line and acted like nothing was amiss.

I decided to back out, because the smaller boats wouldn't give me the space to do a 180, (and finding out the pump out isn't even hooked up yet) my depth finder was blinking blankity blank. I stood with wheel to my back and steered in reverse while using the prop wash also. My Partner thinks I'm pretty cool now since she is new to boating, but I was happy not to embarrass myself.

Denise, Bristol PA, Oday 30. On Tidal Delaware River, Anchor Yacht Club.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

My last project!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


My boat is sold!
deniseO30 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #14 of 19 Old 04-28-2009
ASA and PSIA Instructor
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,555
Thanks: 7
Thanked 24 Times in 24 Posts
Rep Power: 16
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nika44 View Post
...Dick, how different would a bulb keel (ours has a 5'1" draft) react than a fin keel, there would be less drag, right? And wouldn' that mean it would be more responsive quicker? We have feathering prop I wasn't sure what your initials LH or RH stood for. ARe the feathering props less responsive than a fixed 3 blade?
You won't see any particular difference in docking as your bulb is actually located at the bottom of a typical fin keel.

The handling of the feathering prop depends on its design. Some like the Max-Prop provide very similar perforamce to a fixed in forward, and better bite in reverse, as the blades rotate 180 degress in reverse. If your prop has the reversing blades characteristic, you will find the boat more controllable in reverse than a fixed blade would be.

Certified...in several regards...
sailingfool is online now  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #15 of 19 Old 04-28-2009
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 1,995
Thanks: 8
Thanked 36 Times in 33 Posts
Rep Power: 11
 
I think Mr. Pluta had it about right. The side force of your prop, forward but especially aft, will determine how your stern and bow will swing when you have little forward momentum.

But more so will a crosswind. Headwinds and tailwinds you can deal with. A crosswind makes it much more difficult to get into a slip, since you need to carry some speed to counteract the sideslip/leeway from the wind. In a really screeching crosswind, you may have to just delay docking.

But in regular conditions, sounds like you're on the right track..
nolatom is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #16 of 19 Old 04-28-2009
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Florida, US northeast
Posts: 100
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nika44 View Post
Lots of great advice, I've asked our dealer to see if they can find someone to tutor us for a few hours.

Dick, how different would a bulb keel (ours has a 5'1" draft) react than a fin keel, there would be less drag, right? And wouldn' that mean it would be more responsive quicker? We have feathering prop I wasn't sure what your initials LH or RH stood for. ARe the feathering props less responsive than a fixed 3 blade?
I was kind of avoiding getting into too much detail but here's an expansion. The boat is moving at some slow speed, let's say 1 mph. If you turn the boat to starboard, the bow will go right and the stern will go left while the whole boat is going forward. In other words, the boat makes a relatively wide turn as it rotates on the keel. The final effect is a nice tight turn. The bulb keel vs, fin question applies to the forward spped part of the equation, so you just have to allow for it in your approach.

I think minimum steerage way is really important because, if you come in too fast and have to use reverse to slow down, prop walk will move you to one side or the other. My Pearson went to starboard in reverse and my dock was to port, so my lovely docking job, right in the middle of the slip, was usually for naught.

LH and RH are abbreviations for left hand and right hand. I forget which pushes what way but it is significant at low speeds and can be either your enemy or your friend. I have no experience with a folding prop.

After all that, please understand that much of it is more analytical than is needed. You'll quickly get the feel regardless of theory but it's good to understand the mechanics. One of my afflictions is my banjo and, when I first bought it some 40 years ago, I bought Pete Seeger's book on how to play the 5 string banjo. On the back cover is one of my favorite quotes. It says" I once asked an old time picker how you find the notes on a banjo. He replied, 'Hell, son. There ain't no notes on a banjo. You just play the damned thing.'.

Good luck with the new boat and best regards,

Dick
Dick Pluta is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #17 of 19 Old 04-28-2009
Just another Moderator
 
Faster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Westminster, BC
Posts: 16,518
Thanks: 104
Thanked 309 Times in 299 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
Once you get the hang of it, prop walk can be your friend. Our boat walks to port, so when docking to port I put the boat at a 20 degree angle to the dock, come in with just enough speed to still have good steerage, and back down to stop. The propwalk rotates me nicely parallel with the dock and we step off.
Docking to starboard, I'll put the boat into a bit of a rotation (stern toward the dock) at the last second and back down to stop both the boat and the rotation.

We've always had boats that backed up well, and in a new or unusual docking situation usually try to back in... better directional control (we have, anyway) and better brakes as a rule.

Ron

1984 Fast/Nicholson 345 "FastForward"

".. there is much you could do at sea with common sense.. and very little you could do without it.."
Capt G E Ericson (from "The Cruel Sea" by Nicholas Monsarrat)
Faster is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #18 of 19 Old 04-30-2009
Senior Member
 
jackdale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 9,028
Thanks: 27
Thanked 59 Times in 56 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
For a couple and a single, I highly recommend single-line docking.

There will be a spot about a 1/4 of the distance from the transom to the bow at which you can place a line that, when attached to the dock opposite the transom, will hold the boat parallel to the dock when the transmission is in forward. You may have experiment a bit to find this point.

Rather than stepping off with a bow and stern breast line, step off when the boat is stopped and tie off (or use a hook) with the single line. When secure put the transmission in forward and the boat will "suck" into the dock. Leave the transmission engaged while you attach the breast and spring lines.

If you have a strong wind blowing you off the dock, use a centre line tie and get the boat secure, and then worry about breast and stern lines.

I teach these methods and it simplifies matters greatly.

While on docking issues, why is the man does the docking while the women deals with the lines. Surely the reverse makes more sense.

Jack

__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203, 204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #19 of 19 Old 05-01-2009
Senior Member
 
arisatx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Hilton Head Island
Posts: 309
Thanks: 7
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Rep Power: 11
 
There is also a new ASA 118 course on docking...

link

Regards,
Ted
V42#186
s/v Little Wing
arisatx is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Upper Bay Sailing School Launches New Docking Instruction (PRWeb via Yahoo! News) NewsReader News Feeds 0 02-02-2007 08:15 AM
Fair Wind Sailing School Launches New Docking Instruction (PR Web) NewsReader News Feeds 0 02-02-2007 03:15 AM
Upper Bay Sailing School Launches New Docking Instruction (PR Web) NewsReader News Feeds 0 02-02-2007 03:15 AM
Docking with Grace and Skill Michelle Potter Seamanship Articles 0 06-24-2003 08:00 PM
Docking with Grace and Skill Michelle Potter Gear and Maintenance Articles 0 06-24-2003 08:00 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome