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Being "color blind" is a deal killer for any US master/mate license.
Not So!!!!!!!!! Please read the following thread.

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Not So!!!!!!!!! Please read the following thread.

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/learni...olorblind.html
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thanks for the link. I guess you're telling me a guy that can't pass the normal tests can get a daytime restricted, minimal (6 pack, inland, uninspected) operators license (US). OK - I didn't know that. Thanks for the correction.
The USCG site has info on requirements ( including physical) for each license and endorsement. Anyone wanting a license should research what they need to do and may be qualified for.
I'd love to hear more details to support your claim that my statement is "Not So!!!!!". What is not right?
I have had to pass a "color" test as part of USCG physicals for 20+ yrs.
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MY opinion is based on an answer from Mark Grossetti.

( The attached link is to Mark Grossetti. He is the guy we all use as CG license consultant. He was in the CG for 20 years and If there is anybody who can answer your question it would be Mark. By the way, I personally know a licensed Capt. who is in a wheel chair. So I do know that the CG can make exceptions in regards to the medical qualifications.

Grossetti License Consulting)

at the end of thread I linked to this thread, Mark got back to op and yes that was his answer, that the licensee would be restricted to day time operations.
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ok so you get your ticket with daylight only restriction. if you are out at night in a non-commercial way would you be in violation?
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(p.s. I am still fantasizing about inventing some special filtered lenses which will convert red/green to colors I can see. Any physicists out there have an idea how to do that?)
I have an physics degree, but never specialized in optics and can't think of any way to do this off the top of my head; however there may be a simpler solution:

I suggest rigging a pair of binoculars with a red lens on one side, and green on the other. Green objects will appear considerably brighter on the green lens side, and vice-versa.

//edit: I should have read the thread more carefully; apparently this was already suggested.
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The old 3-D glasses, one lens green the other red (aka the "polaroid" or "land" effect) would help on the water, although obviously not with the regs. Of course if you could get one red and one green "cosmetic" or "theatric" contacts lenses....
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The old 3-D glasses, one lens green the other red (aka the "polaroid" or "land" effect) would help on the water, although obviously not with the regs. Of course if you could get one red and one green "cosmetic" or "theatric" contacts lenses....
Only if you are partially ie: very marginally cvd - In which case you would pass the test anyway.

I wrote a post on this on the previous page .
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Only if you are partially ie: very marginally cvd - In which case you would pass the test anyway.

I wrote a post on this on the previous page .
I'm not colorblind, but I don't understand why this is. Even without the ability to distinguish colors, the intensity of light from a green object will be lower through a red filter, and vice-versa.

You mention that some colorblind people are totally lacking a type of receptor, and can't detect that wavelength of light at all, so I could understand that a green buoy wouldn't look dimmer through a red filter to these people, but the red buoy would still look dimmer through a green filter (if they happened to lack green receptors).

Therefore, if they can positively identify a buoy or light as not red, then they can assume that it's green, and still distinguish it.
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I'm not colorblind, but I don't understand why this is. Even without the ability to distinguish colors, the intensity of light from a green object will be lower through a red filter, and vice-versa.

You mention that some colorblind people are totally lacking a type of receptor, and can't detect that wavelength of light at all, so I could understand that a green buoy wouldn't look dimmer through a red filter to these people, but the red buoy would still look dimmer through a green filter (if they happened to lack green receptors).

Therefore, if they can positively identify a buoy or light as not red, then they can assume that it's green, and still distinguish it.
Hiya Casio

Ok, with respect to your first point. In an ideal world, a pure red filter will filter out all wavelengths but red, so a pure green object will appear black. It is not an ideal world, so most filters let through a range of wavelengths or a number of wavelengths. A neutral density filter (ndf) will theoretically filter out all wavelengths (colours) equally, so that will reduce the overall intensity of light coming through the filter. - eg expensive sunnies like serengetis/maui jims etc are nd filters - before they add other filters. Look through a pair of Brown or rose coloured serengeti or maui jim sunnies - and you will see the change in contrast.

Your 2nd pt: If someone only has a set of blue cone receptors and one other type - either green or red cone receptors - [quite rare], then the same tone red and green light will be indeterminable. However most cvd people are to some extent partially cvd, meaning they have a mix of the 3 colour vision receptor cells, but not at the desired numbers/levels. Therefore they have an ability to determine some of the reds and greens, but not always - they need other cues such as location (eg traffic lights), contrast, etc. Your last sentence is using logic to determine colours which is another 'cue' people use.

I saw one person today who tried to look at the isihara plates from the side, turning them to get the right reflection. On the repeat, he tried to remember what he said the first time. (this usually = a fail) For marine tickets, in Aust, we use what is termed the lantern test [which is a good approx to beacons at night] There are other test to determine the actual level and type of cvd. A isihara test is a pass or fail. The trouble is that all beaurocratic agencies see the type of test in print in their book of regs and cannot look at the candidate. [a little rant on the side]


For partially cvd assistance, a set of glasses are often made with a different set of filters in front of each eye. This is done to enhance the differential contrast and help the person 'see' a difference. It's success depends on the severity of the cvd and the situation - object being fixated on.

Anyway, Bubb said that in the USA, there are other factors taken into consideration for those going for a CG ticket. This is a good approach I believe.
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Well, there is color blind, them there is Color Blind.
It's a question of degree.
Take the color test up front and see where you fit in.
Hope you pass well.

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